28 replies on ““Alien vs. Predator” Discussion”

  1. Timeshredder says:

    The Reviews

    Well, looks like we don’t have a review of this one, but the general critical opinion rivals the reception accorded Catwoman.

    I narrowly missed seeing this on Saturday. Is it really that bad?

    • GrimSean says:

      Re: The Reviews

      Is it really that bad?

      How can it be good if it’s only rated PG-13? (seriously, this is AvP – there should be graphic death, dismemberment and swearing in spades)

      • Trekkie says:

        Re: The Reviews

        Is it really that bad?

        How can it be good if it’s only rated PG-13? (seriously, this is AvP – there should be graphic death, dismemberment and swearing in spades)

        You can do that with PG-13, you go and show a pair of tits though and R rating baby.

    • chad says:

      I Was Afraid of This
      Darn! The signs were all there: (1) I didn’t even hear about the movie until about a month before its release, as if they didn’t want to spend much to promote it. (2) It’s not opening in a lot of theaters here in Denver, CO. (3) And it didn’t get reviewed by the Denver Rocky Mountain News (a major local newspaper)

      Of course, I didn’t think the comic book was all that great either. It was good, but not like The Dark Knight Returns, for instance.

      • jdarksun says:

        Re: I Was Afraid of This

        Of course, I didn’t think the comic book was all that great either. It was good, but not like The Dark Knight Returns, for instance.

        That’s the thing – if you’re a big fan of the AvP comics (like myself), this movie was just about perfect. It was almost a direct adaptation of the 1989 comic.

        • Daemonik says:

          Re: I Was Afraid of This

          That’s the thing – if you’re a big fan of the AvP comics (like myself), this movie was just about perfect. It was almost a direct adaptation of the 1989 comic.

          There have been several AvP comic series produced by Dark Horse. My first disapointment was that they didn’t go with the first AvP mini-series set on the desert planet Ryushi with human corporate girl Machiko eventually being adopted by a Predator clan. I’d always imagined Tia Carrere in the role. ;)

          • jdarksun says:

            Re: I Was Afraid of This

            My first disapointment was that they didn’t go with the first AvP mini-series set on the desert planet Ryushi with human corporate girl Machiko eventually being adopted by a Predator clan. I’d always imagined Tia Carrere in the role. ;)

            Except, they did go with that story.

            * * * SPOILERS * * *

            A group of humans, in the wrong place at the wrong time, muck up a Predator initiation hunt. The overconfident Predators are killed. Almost all of the humans are killed. The only surviving Predator and the only surviving human female join forces, marks the female as Blooded with the Predator’s Sigil, and manage to blow the place up – except the Queen survives and kills the Predator.

            Same basic plot, with some different details.

            • babasyzygy says:

              Re: I Was Afraid of This

              A group of humans, in the wrong place at the wrong time, muck up a
              Predator initiation hunt.

              Here’s the one thing that confused me: humans were necessary, as
              incubators, for the hunt. No humans means no aliens, means no hunt.

              It’s pretty obvious that we have a technological civilization with firearms from
              the moon’s orbit, and it’s pretty obvious that the temple was in a remote
              location that only humans aided by signficant technology could reach.

              So why the heck were humans with guns a surprise to the Predators? I could
              understand it if they never expected the temple to be detected, but humans
              were essential to the hunt!

              So I think the only answer we can come up with is that the humans did
              not “muck up” the hunt – they, guns and all, were intended to be
              part of it as a random factor.

              • SciFi0964 says:

                Re: I Was Afraid of This

                So I think the only answer we can come up with is that the humans did
                not “muck up” the hunt – they, guns and all, were intended to be
                part of it as a random factor.

                In some conversations between Bishop and the chemist the probability that this party was intentionally lured to the temple was given. I believe they were supposed to be there after all; otherwise how are the aliens supposed to develop to challenging prey without a temple sacrifice.

                I think the only snafu in this event for the Predators was the removal of the three weapons from their resting place.

            • Daemonik says:

              Re: I Was Afraid of This

              Except, they did go with that story.

              Same basic plot, with some different details.

              Just because a story is about two teenagers who fall in love and then die does not mean that it’s Romeo and Juliette. Writing a story that has some dwarves and elves in it doesn’t magically transform it into Lord of the Rings. It’s the same thing here and your offhand ‘Same basic plot, with some different details’ comment is a pretty disingenuous.

              The stories laid out in AvP the comic vs AvP the movie are completely different; different characters, different environments, different timelines, different stories.

              • chad says:

                Re: I Was Afraid of This

                The stories laid out in AvP the comic vs AvP the movie are completely different; different characters, different environments, different timelines, different stories.

                I have to agree with this, from what I remember of the original story.

  2. cyberfr0g says:

    I liked it
    People hold their hops up way too high in this day and age. Cmon people, you really expected this thing to rock your socks? I personally loved the hell out of it. It was exactly what i had expected. Alien and Predator go at it. That’s all i wanted to see. Not some hyped up “cutting edge computer graphics” or “the best storyline ever”. I just wanted to see some humans getting their asses owned, aliens getting blownup, shot, stabbed, and generally mutilated, and predators kicking ass as usual. If you love alien and predator then go see it. You’ll have to see it eventually just BECAUSE it’s an alien and predator movie. You might just like it.

    • TwistyHat says:

      Re: I liked it

      People hold their hops up way too high in this day and age. Cmon people, you really expected this thing to rock your socks?

      Its people like you who let hollywood get away with crap.

  3. cyberfr0g says:

    Another thing
    In response to the fact that it was pg-13 doesn’t really say much. Alien blood and guts don’t count when it comes to rating a film because there were TONS. Predators getting impaled and yummy glowing green blood flying everywhere, few chest bursters, aliens getting sliced in half. If it weren’t for that person saying it was pg13 i wouldn’t have noticed.

    • dcheesi says:

      Re: Another thing
      Slightly OT, but I remember watching a TV review of some game where you could squish sheep (“accidentally” of course ;) The weird part was that the sheep had green blood; the reviewer suggested it was because red blood would have forced an M rating…

      • y42 says:

        Re: Another thing

        Slightly OT, but I remember watching a TV review of some game where you
        could squish sheep (“accidentally” of course ;) The weird part was that the
        sheep had green blood; the reviewer suggested it was because red
        blood would have forced an M rating…

        If the game makers wanted to sell it in germany, they can’t use red blood.
        Depictions of blood are utterly banned in germany, so gory games that wish
        to make some money over there are forced to censor their games with oddly
        coloured blood, or in one memorable instance, with people who bleed flowers
        (that’s some delicious sarcasm).

        And in the meantime, we all know that Klingons bleed freakin Bepto Bismol
        ;-)

    • y42 says:

      Re: Another thing

      In response to the fact that it was pg-13 doesn’t really say much. Alien blood
      and guts don’t count when it comes to rating a film because there were TONS.
      Predators getting impaled and yummy glowing green blood flying
      everywhere, few chest bursters, aliens getting sliced in half. If it weren’t for
      that person saying it was pg13 i wouldn’t have noticed.

      If there are predators and humans and there isn’t anything happening to the
      humans that doesn’t warrant a higher rating than that, then they aren’t doing
      it right.

      Humans should be getting slaughtered mercilessly left and right, with graphic
      depictions of the utter insouciance of the Predators and the vicious blood-
      thirst of the Aliens. I remember Predators skinning humans and cleaning our
      their skulls to keep as trophies, and I HATE when my beloved monsters are
      pussyfied for mass-market appeal.

      • cyberfr0g says:

        Re: Another thing

        In response to the fact that it was pg-13 doesn’t really say much. Alien blood
        and guts don’t count when it comes to rating a film because there were TONS.
        Predators getting impaled and yummy glowing green blood flying
        everywhere, few chest bursters, aliens getting sliced in half. If it weren’t for
        that person saying it was pg13 i wouldn’t have noticed.

        If there are predators and humans and there isn’t anything happening to the
        humans that doesn’t warrant a higher rating than that, then they aren’t doing
        it right.

        Humans should be getting slaughtered mercilessly left and right, with graphic
        depictions of the utter insouciance of the Predators and the vicious blood-
        thirst of the Aliens. I remember Predators skinning humans and cleaning our
        their skulls to keep as trophies, and I HATE when my beloved monsters are
        pussyfied for mass-market appeal.

        Granted but you also have to understand the plot. (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) There’s a limited number of humans available for the slaughter and most of them get owned by the chestbursters or the aliens. The predators are there to kick some serious alien ass. I dunno, i guess it was lacking some pure gore but i think there was enough to sooth my masocistic soul.

        • y42 says:

          Re: Another thing

          there was enough to sooth my masocistic soul.

          Must be a masochist to enjoy this movie. Got it.
          ;-)

    • mbourgon says:

      Re: Another thing

      Alien blood and guts don’t count when it comes to rating a film because there were TONS.

      I think South Park said it best… excessive violence is fine, just so long as there’s no foul language.

  4. y42 says:

    Dead End
    Same your money, just watch Batman: Dead End as a substitute : )

  5. Abednigo says:

    It is what it is
    I saw it on Friday night (opening night, which I rarely do) and I was pleasantly surprised. It accomplished what they intended. It was action packed, had a decent story (at least you could follow it), the acting was fairly good, and there were lots of Alien vs. Predator fights. People complaining about the Predator not killing all the humans don’t remember the original movie. The Predators kill for the sport of it. If the “victim” isn’t armed or isn’t a challenge, they will let them live. If they are shooting at them trying to kill them, they are fair game.

    The movie wasn’t great (I watched the director’s cut of Aliens last night, and it was still awesome), but it was very entertaining. Paul Anderson did a great job. But then, I loved Resident Evil (which he also did, and had the same black dude that was in AvP). I really can’t complain about the rating. They really pushed the PG-13 to the limit. And besides cutting the camera shot at the last second, you really couldn’t tell it was PG-13 (parents of young children might not like that though). It was as close to R as you can get.

    But for those that thought it completely sucked, I think you may have been expecting something else. This wasn’t a Ridley Scott film, or a James Cameron film. If you were expecting that caliber film, you WILL be disappointed.

    The only thing that disappointed me was that it was way too short. 90 minutes isn’t long enough for this kind of movie.

  6. nkuzmik says:

    Ratings in general
    I, like many find the PG-13 rating a bit odd. It conflicts with the history of both fanchises. A point that further confuses me is that one of the characters in AVP borrows one of Swartzenegger’s lines for Pred 1, and I cannot recall those words ever being spoken in a PG-13 film before. I thought that particular noun was automatic R rating.

      Those of you who’ve seen it should know what line I’m refering to, those who haven’t, the surprise is still there.

    After mentioning this to my brother, he noted that there seemed to have been fewer R movies released over year than previous years. Has anybody else noticed this trend?

    Does the MPAA publish a list of the criterie for a given movie rating, or is that a closely guarded secret… like how to decrypt DVD’s?

    • theangrymob says:

      Re: Ratings in general

      Does the MPAA publish a list of the criterie for a given movie rating, or is that a closely guarded secret… like how to decrypt DVD’s?

      Straight from the devil’s mouth: http://www.mpaa.org/movieratings/about/content3.htm

      • nkuzmik says:

        Re: Ratings in general

        Does the MPAA publish a list of the criterie for a given movie rating, or is that a closely guarded secret… like how to decrypt DVD’s?

        Straight from the devil’s mouth: http://www.mpaa.org/movieratings/about/content3.htm

        I was hoping for more concise guidelines. For example, “brief nudity” can be interpreted in different ways. It my be construed to mean “a short period of time during which nudity is present,” or it could mean a small amount of actor’s(actress’s) body is exposed.

        They also mentioned “single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words.” If they are that specific about how many times you can use a “harsher sexually-derived word,” one would think there is a list.

        There must be a handbook they give to these people. That’s what I’m looking for.

  7. SciFi0964 says:

    Lats get rady ta Rrrrrrumbal!
    It was a flimsy cliche’d premise that got the archeological group together; the acheological find that may give answers to the riddle of three vanished civilizations. They picked it up when a satellite picked up the heat traces of the thing under the polar ice cap. That should have been their first clue about something strange. The second? It’s remoteness; antarctica. The third? That big hole in the ice that leads straight down to the Pyramid that wasn’t there the previous day. Even though these are supposedly the “finest minds money can buy” safety is put aside so as to first claim and explore the site. I found the (lack of) precaution and intelligence of the characters laughable.

    Then again, that bottlecap scene should have been a clue for me to the archeological expertise…

    So I put my mind in neutral and discovered I could be entertained. The predators act; the aliens show up. The purpose of the temple came clear. Mayhem abounds in cinematic splendor. Truth be told I was rooting for both the predator and one of the human characters who showed SOME intelligence and wisdom. Them aliens are just creepy, though. The survival of the fittest was proven here. *wince*

    If your looking for a feasable plot; you may be dissapointed. If your seeking mindless carnage and action then this is the fare for you.

  8. iamlegion says:

    Best. Recap. Ever.
    ** SPOILERS **

    The best description of this movie I could imagine comes from http://www.atomictoy.org:
    ———-

    ALIEN Vs. PREDATOR
    A Touching Tale of Sacrifice and Ridiculous Human/Warrior Alien Beast Love
    (to be read a maximum volume)

    OUTERSPACE: OMG OMINOUS INTRO LOL JUST A SATILLITE
    SCINCE DUDES: WHOA UNDERGROUND PYRAMID THAT IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE HIVE IN RESIDENT EVIL
    BISHOP: HAY GATHER ME A SCIENCE TEAM OF TEENAGERS WITH ATTITUDE…SORT OF LIKE JURRASSIC PARK…HA……
    DIRECTOR: CHARACTER DEVLOPMENT? NO.
    ——–SOME SHIT HAPPENS NO INVOLING ANYTHING COOL———-
    BISHOP: OK DUDES LETS START DRILLING TO THE UNDERGROUND PYRAM- OH COOL SOMEONE DRILLED SOME AMAZING HOLE ALREADY, THANX WHOEVER.
    SCIENCE TEAM: WE ARE NOT PHASED BY THIS IMPOSSIBLE LASER HOLE.
    ——–MORE SHIT MOSTLY INVOLING FLASHLIGHTS———-
    RETARDED FLOOR-SWITCH-PLOT-DEVICE: HA HA NOW YOU GUYS ARE FUCKED
    ALIEN QUEEN: SUP
    ——–MORE FLASHLIGHTS———
    SCENCE TEAM: WHOA SACRIFICIAL CHAMBER
    BISHOP: MAKING HISTORY IS AWESOME
    SCIENCE TEAM: BADASS, A CHEST FULL OF GUN-SHAPED THINGS WTF ARE THEY
    PREDATORS: SHIT! OUR LASERGUNS!
    SCINCE TEAM: GROSS, SLIME EGGS
    FACE HUGGERS: BULLETTIME, BITCHES
    CHESTBURSTER: THAT WAS FAST. HERE COMES THE PAIN
    PREDATORS: DIE PUNY HUMANS. WE ARE SO BADASS
    BADASS BLACK DUDE: HI I WAS IN RESIENT EVIL AND WAS KILLED BY A LASER-NET. WOULDN’t THAT BE STUPID IF I GOT KILLED BY ANOTHER NET OF SOME SORT?
    NET: YES. DIE.
    PYRAMID: I CHANGE SHAPE EVERY 10 MINUETS! CAN YOU SOLVE MY MYSTERIES?? I WILL PROBABLY JUST STOP CHANING SHAPE LATER THO…BECASUE THE WRITERS FORGOT ABOUT IT….SIGH
    ALIENS: RRR DIE PREDATORS
    PREDATOR: WELL I HOPE YOU WEREN”T HOPING TO SEE MANY PREDATORS KICKING ASS BECASUE I AM A PUSSY. *DIES*
    OTHER PREDATOR: YA, ME TOO. *DIES*
    BISHOP: DIE ONLY REMAINING PREDATOR! RAR BLOWTORCH MADE OF STUFF!
    BISHOP: SHIT MAKING HISTORY IS HARD *DIES*
    SURVIALIST CHICK: I AM THE SOLE SURVIVOR EXCEPT FOR ITALIAN DORK
    DIRECTOR: YA RIGHT!
    ITALIAN DORK: ARGHHHHH
    SURVIVALIST CHICK: HA HA I KILL YOU ALIEN, WITH THIS SPEAR THAT FOR SOME REASON DOSEN’T MELT FROM ACID BLOOD!
    PREDATOR: I TOTALLY RESPECT YOU NOW. I GIVE YOU THIS GIFT OF AN ALIEN HEAD TO WEAR AS A MITTEN.
    AUDIENCE: OH FUCK
    —– EXPLOSION ——
    QUEEN: I AM THE LAST BOSS
    PREDATOR / SURVIALIST CHICK: BEHOLD THE POWER OF OUR TEAMWORK!
    QUEEN: OH NO A WATERY GRAVE
    PREDATOR: YOU ARE PRETTY COOL I GUESS *DIES*
    PREDITOR KING: HERE TAKE THIS…THING I DON’T WANT IT
    PREDATOR CHESBURSTER: WOST ENDING EVER!

    THE END

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