Lost Discussion: “What Kate Did”

As Kate’s backstory continues, her original crime is revealed. She thinks something is haunting her through Sawyer. Locke and Eko make an interesting discovery about the film, and Michael has a mysterious encounter with the computer.

Lost goes off the air for the rest of the year, returning January 11, 2006 with “The 23rd Psalm,” which gives us a glimpse into Mr. Eko’s story.

22 replies on “Lost Discussion: “What Kate Did””

  1. Cerberus7 says:

    Uninformative Movie
    That thing still tells us nothing. Dammit.

    • J_W_W says:

      Re: Uninformative Movie

      That thing still tells us nothing. Dammit.

      Maybe if they play the cut out piece of film backwards, it says “This is a social experiment!!”

    • valen1260 says:

      Re: Uninformative Movie

      That thing still tells us nothing. Dammit.

      I know! The only reason I can think that someone would remove that portion of the film (unless it does have some encoded message) is to remove the “suggestive” dialogue. The last thing a top secret bunker needs is an IM client (or, by the age of the equipment, a BBS). It all seemed rather pointless. It all IS rather pointless, unless there is some coded meaning.

      • y42 says:

        Re: Uninformative Movie

        That thing still tells us nothing. Dammit.

        I know! The only reason I can think that someone would remove that portion of the film (unless it does have some encoded message) is to remove the “suggestive” dialogue. The last thing a top secret bunker needs is an IM client (or, by the age of the equipment, a BBS). It all seemed rather pointless. It all IS rather pointless, unless there is some coded meaning.

        Well, this way they get to have their lil’ button pushers without letting them know that there is a way to ask for back-up by contacting the outside world when their alloted time has elapsed. It does sound like they (whomever did the edit) took the button seriously.

  2. valen1260 says:

    some questions
    1. Do you think there’s any significance to the different Dharma logo that "the Tailies" encountered in the other compound. It had an upward-pointing arrow instead of a swan.

    2. What is the significance of the horse? I know originally it caused the car to run off the road, but even that seems a little ominous.

    3. So where does this fit in with the prior three (?) bits of Kate’s past that we’ve seen: living as a fugitive in Australia, the bank robbery, and getting her best friend killed? I’m a little confused about her timeline now, especially if this is the murder she’s wanted for, not the "murder" of her friend.

    I think the whole "the drunk guy’s really your father" bit was really lame.

    • y42 says:

      Re: some questions

      1. Do you think there’s any significance to the different Dharma logo that “the Tailies” encountered in the other compound. It had an upward-pointing arrow instead of a swan.

      2. What is the significance of the horse? I know originally it caused the car to run off the road, but even that seems a little ominous.

      3. So where does this fit in with the prior three (?) bits of Kate’s past that we’ve seen: living as a fugitive in Australia, the bank robbery, and getting her best friend killed? I’m a little confused about her timeline now, especially if this is the murder she’s wanted for, not the “murder” of her friend.

      I think the whole “the drunk guy’s really your father” bit was really lame.

      1- Possibly, but there isn’t much point in trying to guess them at this time, we’d need to know the lot, I suppose.

      2- Kate’s spirit guide.

      3- a) Kablooie. b) Get caught, horsy escape, get best friend killed while living the fugitive life. c) Run away to another continent, get caught again.

      • valen1260 says:

        Re: some questions

        3- a) Kablooie. b) Get caught, horsy escape, get best friend killed while living the fugitive life. c) Run away to another continent, get caught again.

        Right, only you left out the bank heist.
        a) kill drunk guy b) get caught at bus station, escape thanks to Mr. Ed c) hide out with old bud, get him killed d) plan entire bank robbery to get a toy plane e) somehow get to Australia and wait to get caught again f) end up in Purgatory

        • y42 says:

          Re: some questions

          3- a) Kablooie. b) Get caught, horsy escape, get best friend killed while living the fugitive life. c) Run away to another continent, get caught again.

          Right, only you left out the bank heist.

          Ah.
          Move to Australia, get sold off by the one armed man; escape from the bounty hunter again in another car crash; bank heist to get her damn souvenir back; get caught again, end up on fantasy island after Ricardo Montalbaln and the midget moved out.

        • J_W_W says:

          Re: some questions

          3- a) Kablooie. b) Get caught, horsy escape, get best friend killed while living the fugitive life. c) Run away to another continent, get caught again.

          Right, only you left out the bank heist.
          a) kill drunk guy b) get caught at bus station, escape thanks to Mr. Ed c) hide out with old bud, get him killed d) plan entire bank robbery to get a toy plane e) somehow get to Australia and wait to get caught again f) end up in Purgatory

          As much as some want this to be purgatory, I really don’t want that. This whole purgatory thing reminds me of the Matrix, where after reloaded, everyone was wanting a Matrix outside of the Matrix. While that was a cool thought, its still seemed to me too much of a “its all a dream” sort of ending, and I just don’t like those (Wizard of Oz, the only exception).

          If the island ends up being purgatory, I think I’ll have that same kind of feeling. There are admittedly ways they could do it right, but I worry about it being lame. There are quite a few amazing shows where the payoff at the end does a real number on your overall feelings for it. And here’s the rub, I put Lost up there with Twin Peaks as far as cool, strange, great television, but I hated the ending of Twin Peaks and it really clouds my memories of the show. I worry aoubt the end of Lost and how it will tie up the totallity of the show. As for now I’m hoping its end is more like Sleeping in the Light, if it can get there it does have a shot at being the best TV show ever.

          But, I don’t think the purgatory angle can get to that level.

          • valen1260 says:

            Re: some questions

            As for now I’m hoping its end is more like Sleeping in the Light, if it can get there it does have a shot at being the best TV show ever.

            But, I don’t think the purgatory angle can get to that level.

            “Sleeping in Light” still, STILL makes me cry. It is bittersweet perfection.

            As for Purgatory, I think it was originally a great idea, and I really wanted the show to explore it, but I think they’re deviating from that path. As people found their peace, they would’ve died off, like Shannon and to a lesser extent Boone. But some are finding peace (or so it seems) and are still there. Plus, you couldn’t slowly kill off the cast and still maintain a show long enough for the Omega Man to come to terms.

            Actually, I think Lost might be delving deeper into Sci-Fi, which I’d like to think is a good sign. Who knows what we’re in for? Then again, if no one including the creative minds behind the show know, then this could become a backwards-talking dwarf real fast. What made “Sleeping” so grand was that it was the culmination of a story, planned from the beginning. Though Lost might know from where it comes, I’ve yet to see proof that it knows where it’s going.

            • J_W_W says:

              Re: some questions

              Then again, if no one including the creative minds behind the show know, then this could become a backwards-talking dwarf real fast.

              Walt?? Is that you? ;-)

              That’s not really true, but I know what you mean. And the rest of your post hits the nail on the head.

        • zonk3r says:

          Re: some questions
          <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="cite">… end up in Purgatory</p>
          </BLOCKQUOTE>

          i’ve heard somewhere (maybe the official magazine, i don’t recall exactly) that jj abrams has specifically stated that the island is NOT purgatory. here’s a quick source: http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271%7C94107%7C1%7C,00.html

        • zonk3r says:

          Re: some questions
          …end up in Purgatory…

          i’ve heard somewhere (maybe the official magazine, i don’t recall exactly) that jj abrams has specifically stated that the island is NOT purgatory. here’s a quick source: http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271%7C94107%7C1%7C,00.html

          • valen1260 says:

            Re: some questions

            i’ve heard somewhere … that jj abrams has specifically stated that the island is NOT purgatory

            Right, but we’re told many lies by many people. If, before seeing Psycho for the first time, you had the opportunity to ask Hitchcock if Norman Bates was really the killer, do you think he’d say yes? Or ditto asking (that no-talent hack) Shayamalan if Bruce Willis was a ghost.

    • Fez says:

      Re: some questions

      1. Do you think there’s any significance to the different Dharma logo that "the Tailies" encountered in the other compound. It had an upward-pointing arrow instead of a swan.

      I’ll enclose this in spoilertext just in case some might consider this spoilerish:


      Some have speculated that the Dharma logos could be representative of the muses of Apollo (backed up by the fact that the candy bars were Apollo bars)

      The muses listed in Wikipedia are: swans, wolves, dolphins, bows and arrows, a laurel crown, the lyre and plectrum (like a guitar pick). Note that there are 6 of them (bows and arrows go together, lyre and pick go together) and there are 6 Dharma stations.

      Of course this is all speculation (and not even my speculation at that, I’m just repeating what I’ve read elsewhere…) but it sure sounds like a plausible theory.

    • Pii says:

      Re: some answers
      1: (Spoiltext) The Dharma "Arrow" logo is indicative of the Animal Research aspects of the Dharma Initiative, according to a number of other sites around the net. There’s a video floating around (that may be fake) that gives some detail about each of the six stations, and the logo associated with each.

      Here’s a link (Potential Spoilers): http://www.thetailsection.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216&page=3

      2. I’ve never been good at symbolism, so your guess is as good as mine.

      3. All of Kate’s background episodes have been in reverse chronological order (each sequence has gone further back in her past). So her personal timeline has been:

      a) She blew up the house killing her father, after finding out that he was indeed her father, rather than the step-father she always believed he was.

      b) After being on the run for a couple of years, she visits her sick mother in the hospital, and during her escape, her best friend Tom (and love of her life) is shot and killed.

      c) She orchestrates the bank robbery so that she can retrieve Tom’s toy plane. When her associates threaten to kill the bank manager and possibly others in the bank, she kills them.

      d) She is picked up again in Australia, having evaded capture for several years, which is how she came to be on Flight 815.

      • hossman says:

        Re: some answers

        b) After being on the run for a couple of years, she visits her sick mother in the hospital, and during her escape, her best friend Tom (and love of her life) is shot and killed.

        c) She orchestrates the bank robbery so that she can retrieve Tom’s toy plane. When her associates threaten to kill the bank manager and possibly others in the bank, she kills them.

        All of which begs the question: how/when did the toy plane get in the safe deposit box? … they’re going to have to tell part of the story out of reverse chrono order, or just screw us over and never explain it.

        • Toyouke says:

          Re: some answers

          c) She orchestrates the bank robbery so that she can retrieve Tom’s toy plane. When her associates threaten to kill the bank manager and possibly others in the bank, she kills them.

          All of which begs the question: how/when did the toy plane get in the safe deposit box? … they’re going to have to tell part of the story out of reverse chrono order, or just screw us over and never explain it.

          I think this was on the finale. The marshal said he put it there and then taunted her with it, since Kate had been calling him and proclaiming her innocence. This was after Tom died.

  3. valen1260 says:

    copycats
    I mentioned this over at the Surface thread. Has anyone else noticed how both Surface and Invasion ripped off Lost’s title effect and trumpet squawking “theme”?

    • theangrymob says:

      Re: copycats

      I mentioned this over at the Surface thread. Has anyone else noticed how both Surface and Invasion ripped off Lost’s title effect and trumpet squawking “theme”?

      Well, really, that’s an old tension-making trick. Check out any number of horror/suspense flicks, you’ll hear the same thing.

      • Toyouke says:

        Re: copycats

        I mentioned this over at the Surface thread. Has anyone else noticed how both Surface and Invasion ripped off Lost’s title effect and trumpet squawking “theme”?

        My sister watched Invasion for a while, but she stopped because they apparently rip off Lost a lot. As in, “mysterious monster–like on Lost!” Actually I don’t know that there’s a monster. But you get the idea. It’s not just the theme.

        • Set says:

          Re: copycats

          My sister watched Invasion for a while, but she stopped because they apparently rip off Lost a lot. As in, “mysterious monster–like on Lost!” Actually I don’t know that there’s a monster. But you get the idea. It’s not just the theme.

          I think the only thing Invasion (and all the other shows like it) have ripped off is that suddenly there’s an interest in something aside from cop shows, hospital shows, and reality tv

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