35 replies on “Heroes Discussion – “Landslide””

  1. Jethro says:

    Formula
    The show’s getting a bit formuletic (is that even a word?) lately. Last week I was a bit upset that we had yet another "Hey lets manipulate Mohinder!" and then this week we’re still having that, we’re still having Bennett make plans that end up not working, we still have Peter, arguably THE most powerful person on the show just stand there looking pretty.

    Oh, and for the millionth time, Hiro declares that he has failed in his mission. Seriously, I used to really like Hiro, but man can he get depressing really fast!

    I’m going to start rooting for Sylar. He’s the only one who seems to actually know what he’s doing!

    • is says:

      Re: Formula

      The show’s getting a bit formuletic (is that even a word?) lately. Last week I was a bit upset that we had yet another "Hey lets manipulate Mohinder!" and then this week we’re still having that, we’re still having Bennett make plans that end up not working, we still have Peter, arguably THE most powerful person on the show just stand there looking pretty.

      Oh, and for the millionth time, Hiro declares that he has failed in his mission. Seriously, I used to really like Hiro, but man can he get depressing really fast!

      I’m going to start rooting for Sylar. He’s the only one who seems to actually know what he’s doing!

      Sylar does seem to be the only person who isn’t a witless boob. This was a good episode, it moved things along etc, but I always wonder why the "good" guys can have ten heroes standing around and they’re all just run when something bad happpens. Heck, even Ando, the non-hero is one of the ones who is willing to go die to try and kill Sylar.

      I would think that a little teamwork would produce plenty of results for the non-sylar side of the equation.

      • Fez says:

        Re: Formula

        Sylar does seem to be the only person who isn’t a witless boob. This was a good episode, it moved things along etc, but I always wonder why the "good" guys can have ten heroes standing around and they’re all just run when something bad happpens. Heck, even Ando, the non-hero is one of the ones who is willing to go die to try and kill Sylar.

        I think this goes back to part of the original premise of the show: these are just regular people that happened to evolve or "Ascend" as Hiro’s dad put it. They haven’t had much experience and are probably still coming to terms with parts of the situation.

        In this episode they finally did start coming together and stepping up a bit. Claire saying she wants to go "patrol" (an obvious Buffy jab), Hiro getting training so he will be better prepared, etc.

        A "normal" person’s reaction when something bad happens is to run. They probably also don’t want to reveal themselves too much in public unless they can help it because they are scared of what people might think or say.

        Next season, I hope, will be better since they will now have some experience under their belts and have grown into their powers.

        I would think that a little teamwork would produce plenty of results for the non-sylar side of the equation.

        From our perspective it seems easy to say this, having seen all of the "heroes" over the course of this season. However, last night was the first time that many of them had seen each other or had all been in one place. I don’t imagine it would be easy to orchestrate teamwork among strangers, but we’ll see how it ends up next week I guess.

        Side note: Micah probably didn’t have to work too hard to hack those voting machines, they were probably all made by Diebold. :)

        • Cerberus7 says:

          Re: Formula

          I think this goes back to part of the original premise of the show: these are just regular people that happened to evolve or "Ascend" as Hiro’s dad put it. They haven’t had much experience and are probably still coming to terms with parts of the situation.

          That, and in-show time has only been a couple of weeks, if that. Not only is this new to them, it’s really, REALLY new.

          I liked the voting fraud. Very nice.

          Next week ought to be a heck of a brawl. :)

        • Tekzel says:

          Re: Formula

          Sylar does seem to be the only person who isn’t a witless boob. This was a good episode, it moved things along etc, but I always wonder why the "good" guys can have ten heroes standing around and they’re all just run when something bad happpens. Heck, even Ando, the non-hero is one of the ones who is willing to go die to try and kill Sylar.

          I think this goes back to part of the original premise of the show: these are just regular people that happened to evolve or "Ascend" as Hiro’s dad put it. They haven’t had much experience and are probably still coming to terms with parts of the situation.

          In this episode they finally did start coming together and stepping up a bit. Claire saying she wants to go "patrol" (an obvious Buffy jab), Hiro getting training so he will be better prepared, etc.

          A "normal" person’s reaction when something bad happens is to run. They probably also don’t want to reveal themselves too much in public unless they can help it because they are scared of what people might think or say.

          Next season, I hope, will be better since they will now have some experience under their belts and have grown into their powers.

          I would think that a little teamwork would produce plenty of results for the non-sylar side of the equation.

          From our perspective it seems easy to say this, having seen all of the "heroes" over the course of this season. However, last night was the first time that many of them had seen each other or had all been in one place. I don’t imagine it would be easy to orchestrate teamwork among strangers, but we’ll see how it ends up next week I guess.

          Side note: Micah probably didn’t have to work too hard to hack those voting machines, they were probably all made by Diebold. :)

          You covered everything I was going to say. In reality, and I mean really think about it, theres this guy going around chopping the tops of people’s heads off what are YOU going to do? Remember, none of these guys are actually invulnerable. Sure, Claire and Peter can regenerate, but we see that they can be taken out, but what happens if you chopped their heads off? They can burn, we saw Clair burned. What if they were stabbed in the head then burned up? Im just saying they probably can be killed. As for the rest of them, they are pretty frail too. Most people have this aversion to dying.

        • Babbster says:

          Re: Formula

          Side note: Micah probably didn’t have to work too hard to hack those voting machines, they were probably all made by Diebold. :)

          They tricked me a bit on that one. Given Linderman’s fixation on the explosion, I thought that was where Micah’s talents were going to be applied.

          • Kiersten says:

            Re: Formula

            Side note: Micah probably didn’t have to work too hard to hack those voting machines, they were probably all made by Diebold. :)

            They tricked me a bit on that one. Given Linderman’s fixation on the explosion, I thought that was where Micah’s talents were going to be applied.

            I know that I certainly never guessed that they were going to use Micah to fix the election!! I’m glad I’m not the only one surprised by this!

            k

        • Nickvotrobeck says:

          Re: Formula

          Hiro getting training so he will be better prepared,

          Were we supposed to assume that Hiro’s dad was able to train him as a swordsman in the span of a couple of hours, or that Hiro froze time in order to fit a long stretch of training into an afternooon? The former is pretty absurd, and the later would mean that Ando decided to go after Sylar by himself after only a few minutes wait. Or that the swordsmith did something to him and lied to Hiro about what happened.

          • Fez says:

            Re: Formula

            Hiro getting training so he will be better prepared,

            Were we supposed to assume that Hiro’s dad was able to train him as a swordsman in the span of a couple of hours, or that Hiro froze time in order to fit a long stretch of training into an afternooon? The former is pretty absurd, and the later would mean that Ando decided to go after Sylar by himself after only a few minutes wait. Or that the swordsmith did something to him and lied to Hiro about what happened.

            I wasn’t quite sure to make of that, either. I suppose he could have slowed down time but that would have been a stretch given that previously he has needed physical contact for that to work on others as well.

            Perhaps Hiro already had some of the skills necessary and his father was bringing them out? He may have had some defensive training but didn’t have the "heart" or drive to turn those skills to offensive use.

            Perhaps Hiro’s father’s power is the ability to impart knowledge on others? Or perhaps he only taught him enough to kill someone who was not a real swordsman, just enough to take out Sylar.

            It may have been more of a mental lesson than a physical training lesson.

            • J_W_W says:

              Re: Formula

              Hiro getting training so he will be better prepared,

              Were we supposed to assume that Hiro’s dad was able to train him as a swordsman in the span of a couple of hours, or that Hiro froze time in order to fit a long stretch of training into an afternooon? The former is pretty absurd, and the later would mean that Ando decided to go after Sylar by himself after only a few minutes wait. Or that the swordsmith did something to him and lied to Hiro about what happened.

              I wasn’t quite sure to make of that, either. I suppose he could have slowed down time but that would have been a stretch given that previously he has needed physical contact for that to work on others as well.

              Perhaps Hiro already had some of the skills necessary and his father was bringing them out? He may have had some defensive training but didn’t have the "heart" or drive to turn those skills to offensive use.

              Perhaps Hiro’s father’s power is the ability to impart knowledge on others? Or perhaps he only taught him enough to kill someone who was not a real swordsman, just enough to take out Sylar.

              It may have been more of a mental lesson than a physical training lesson.

              That was my impression. I think the swordplay was just a method to get Hiro to change his attitude.

              • Babbster says:

                Re: Formula

                That was my impression. I think the swordplay was just a method to get Hiro to change his attitude.

                That should be all he needs. In his first attempt to kill him, it looked like pure hesitation causing him to fail – understandable since he’s adopted the comic book hero role which typically includes a strict no-killing policy, in particular a no-murder/assassination policy.

              • NoStrings says:

                Re: Formula
                Does this mean that Hiro’s father enables him to become a "sword saint", like the dragon in the bedtime story? I wonder who the princess is, and when the dragon will come and take her.

          • TwistyHat says:

            Re: Formula

            Hiro getting training so he will be better prepared,

            Were we supposed to assume that Hiro’s dad was able to train him as a swordsman in the span of a couple of hours, or that Hiro froze time in order to fit a long stretch of training into an afternooon? The former is pretty absurd, and the later would mean that Ando decided to go after Sylar by himself after only a few minutes wait. Or that the swordsmith did something to him and lied to Hiro about what happened.

            I think you are supposed to assume, that just Hiro was thought about the japanese legends, he has was also taught sword fights as a young man. What his father thought him now was how to die.

    • TwistyHat says:

      Re: Formula

      The show’s getting a bit formuletic (is that even a word?) lately.

      The word is formulaic *g*

  2. bombadil says:

    Candace the fatty
    Nice subtle touch that beautiful sexy Candace the shape-changer is actually a big fatty!

    She is constantly eating junk. When Micah says his cousin eats like that and is huge, Candace replies ‘so am I’.
    And when she looks like an middle-aged heavier black woman taking Micah to the election polls, she teases, ‘How do you know this isn’t the real me?’

    Which taken all together means Candace is probably grossly overweight, but prefers the sexy slim look of Missy Peregrym.

    • Jethro says:

      Re: Candace the fatty
      I suppose we’ll know when Sylar kills her.

      • TwistyHat says:

        Re: Candace the fatty

        I suppose we’ll know when Sylar kills her.

        If he can – it should be easy for her to out illusion him. More likely Jessica has the time to throw her out the window *g*

    • Jethro says:

      Re: Candace the fatty

      Nice subtle touch that beautiful sexy Candace the shape-changer

      It was also implied that she’s NOT a shape-changer. She creates illusions.

      • Babbster says:

        Re: Candace the fatty

        Nice subtle touch that beautiful sexy Candace the shape-changer

        It was also implied that she’s NOT a shape-changer. She creates illusions.

        Not just implied. She said it straight-out, and it was shown, in the previous week’s episode which wasn’t discussed here, when she made the building in which Micah was being held a "maze" where all the doors led right back into the same apartment.

  3. Kiersten says:

    Just stuff and looking ahead
    I was really impressed that Jessica allowed Niki to come forward so that she didn’t kill her husband. It really sucks about her husband, though.. And the Tracking System, as soon as Molly showed where her Policeman Hero was, I figured there was going to be a problem, (yeah I musta missed something earlier in the season.. LOL) but I never thought that Bennett would actually go through with it. Even to save Claire. I mean, she’s just a child!! Why not try to bring her over to the good side, instead? I am glad that Linderman is dead. IF he really IS dead… I was surprised to see the FBI lady in New York. I wonder what future part she’s going to play..

    So, my question is: Is the bomb issue really going to be resolved next Monday and they start another premise for the series next season? Or are they going to drag this out for eternity…

    Just my thoughts..
    k

    • Tekzel says:

      Re: Just stuff and looking ahead

      So, my question is: Is the bomb issue really going to be resolved next Monday and they start another premise for the series next season? Or are they going to drag this out for eternity…

      I remember seeing it said that both the Sylar (and thus bomb) plot will be finished next Monday but the last little bit of it will end in a cliff that leads into next season’s story.

    • babasyzygy says:

      Re: Just stuff and looking ahead

      And the Tracking System, as soon as Molly showed where her Policeman Hero was, I figured there was going to be a problem, (yeah I musta missed something earlier in the season.. LOL) but I never thought that Bennett would actually go through with it. Even to save Claire. I mean, she’s just a child!! Why not try to bring her over to the good side, instead?

      Here’s something: weren’t many of our heroes implanted with something? Doesn’t that mean that there’s more than one tracking system?

      • ultraexactzz says:

        Re: Just stuff and looking ahead

        And the Tracking System, as soon as Molly showed where her Policeman Hero was, I figured there was going to be a problem, (yeah I musta missed something earlier in the season.. LOL) but I never thought that Bennett would actually go through with it. Even to save Claire. I mean, she’s just a child!! Why not try to bring her over to the good side, instead?

        Here’s something: weren’t many of our heroes implanted with something? Doesn’t that mean that there’s more than one tracking system?

        Yes – there is a satellite-based system that uses the radio-isotopes to track implanted individuals. Bennett has Hana (Wireless) dealing with the satellite, in the graphic novel "The Death of Hana Gitelmann". Part One was posted on Monday, and part two comes out after the finale next week.

  4. Babbster says:

    My High Point
    The best part of this week’s episode was Hiro’s pop not turning out to be another old-school hero butthead. He’s clearly been manipulative but he’s not a bad guy – more reason for Hiro to be the one hero who’s been up for the challenge from the start (barring a couple depressive periods when things looked impossibly grim).

    • Tekzel says:

      Re: My High Point

      The best part of this week’s episode was Hiro’s pop not turning out to be another old-school hero butthead. He’s clearly been manipulative but he’s not a bad guy – more reason for Hiro to be the one hero who’s been up for the challenge from the start (barring a couple depressive periods when things looked impossibly grim).

      I liked the few glimpses we got in this episode of Future Hiro in Present Hiro.

    • benvking says:

      Re: My High Point

      The best part of this week’s episode was Hiro’s pop not turning out to be another old-school hero butthead. He’s clearly been manipulative but he’s not a bad guy – more reason for Hiro to be the one hero who’s been up for the challenge from the start (barring a couple depressive periods when things looked impossibly grim).

      Doesn’t make sense to me though. Hiro’s dad worked for/with Linderman. He actually put Claire in Bennett’s hands. How come he’s the only one not a butt head?

      • Fez says:

        Re: My High Point

        Doesn’t make sense to me though. Hiro’s dad worked for/with Linderman. He actually put Claire in Bennett’s hands. How come he’s the only one not a butt head?

        At one point last night Hiro’s father said that there were some that split from his point of view and lost their way. I forget his exact words. He was probably talking about Linderman, Bennett, et al.

        • Babbster says:

          Re: My High Point

          Doesn’t make sense to me though. Hiro’s dad worked for/with Linderman. He actually put Claire in Bennett’s hands. How come he’s the only one not a butt head?

          At one point last night Hiro’s father said that there were some that split from his point of view and lost their way. I forget his exact words. He was probably talking about Linderman, Bennett, et al.

          Indeed. Obviously, something big happened between the time Claire was adopted and the present. Also, while we can find fault with their organization wanting to take Claire away from her adopted parents if she was discovered to have powers (though not much fault since she may have simply been returned to her grandparents and biological father), we’ve still seen relatively little evidence that the organization was doing much evil to those with powers. Look at the powerful, sometimes dangerous folks that they tagged and released. Obviously, some sinister things were going on (or Claude wouldn’t have left the way he did), but so far it’s hard to tell what those things were.

        • is says:

          Re: My High Point

          Doesn’t make sense to me though. Hiro’s dad worked for/with Linderman. He actually put Claire in Bennett’s hands. How come he’s the only one not a butt head?

          At one point last night Hiro’s father said that there were some that split from his point of view and lost their way. I forget his exact words. He was probably talking about Linderman, Bennett, et al.

          It really makes me wonder what the company’s original plan was. Obviously they’re interested in getting special people together so that they can make special babies and they’re tracking those people and offspring throughout their lives. At some point Linderman and cronies probably slid off the edge a little and went power hungry and got impatient. Heck, setting up a nuke in NYC is a pretty hefty way to push forward some worldwide changes. It’s one thing to push for a slow evolution type of effect on humans, quite another thing to blow people up and take over the world.

      • TwistyHat says:

        Re: My High Point

        Doesn’t make sense to me though. Hiro’s dad worked for/with Linderman. He actually put Claire in Bennett’s hands.

        Yeah,16 years ago.

  5. babasyzygy says:

    So here’s what I’m wondering
    Has Peter cloned Sylar’s power? If he cuts open the brain of someone (whose power he’d already have cloned by being near, of course), does his power double?

    • Fozzy_Bear says:

      Re: So here’s what I’m wondering

      Has Peter cloned Sylar’s power? If he cuts open the brain of someone (whose power he’d already have cloned by being near, of course), does his power double?

      That’s a neet question… But since he’s never been able to volunterily NOT absorb the power of somebody he was near… I’d say that the answer is obviously YES, but he’ll never use it.

      More interesting, I think, is if he’s got the powers of the people Syler stole. Peter never met the Mechanic Chic with uber-hearing, but he has been next to Syler after he stole that… I’d be curious to see if Peter concentrating on Syler gave him THAT ability (or the ability to melt appliances).

      • FarmerBob says:

        Re: So here’s what I’m wondering

        Has Peter cloned Sylar’s power? If he cuts open the brain of someone (whose power he’d already have cloned by being near, of course), does his power double?

        That’s a neet question… But since he’s never been able to volunterily NOT absorb the power of somebody he was near… I’d say that the answer is obviously YES, but he’ll never use it.

        More interesting, I think, is if he’s got the powers of the people Syler stole. Peter never met the Mechanic Chic with uber-hearing, but he has been next to Syler after he stole that… I’d be curious to see if Peter concentrating on Syler gave him THAT ability (or the ability to melt appliances).

        Peter took TK from Syler. This probably means that Peter either can only use one power from Syler at a time (otherwise he gets unstable), or he has to see Syler use it.

    • Huitzilopochtli says:

      Re: So here’s what I’m wondering

      Has Peter cloned Sylar’s power? If he cuts open the brain of someone (whose power he’d already have cloned by being near, of course), does his power double?

      The way I understand it, Sylar’s native ability is mechanical aptitude, which allows him to understand exactly how things work. When he was only a watchmaker, he couldn’t manipulate anything, only understand its workings and find anomalies. It’s possible that *any* Special, or even any human at all, can steal a Special’s power by taking their brain. Maybe Sylar only found that out because he intuitively knows how things work and figured out that particular exploit.

      • Alexius says:

        Re: So here’s what I’m wondering

        The way I understand it, Sylar’s native ability is mechanical aptitude, which allows him to understand exactly how things work. When he was only a watchmaker, he couldn’t manipulate anything, only understand its workings and find anomalies. It’s possible that *any* Special, or even any human at all, can steal a Special’s power by taking their brain. Maybe Sylar only found that out because he intuitively knows how things work and figured out that particular exploit.

        I always took it as Sylar understood how things worked when he could look at them, so he knew how to ‘steal’ a special power, and that somehow involved the brain. Like he understood that if you ate the pineal gland, and then meditated while drinking water with your nose pinched, your pineal gland would begin producing the same chemicals that gives you that special power, and that’s why he’s out taking brains.

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