Terminator mythology going off on tangents

chad writes, SCI FI Wire has a couple informative articles on the Terminator-related movies and TV shows. Apparently Fox’s “The Sarah Connor Chronicles” is going to pretend T3 never happened.

And the next Terminator movie trilogy will move away from Arnold Schwarzenegger and introduce a totally new character in the post-apocalyptic world.

19 replies on “Terminator mythology going off on tangents”

  1. y42 says:

    good
    I like to pretend it didn’t happen to, since that was such a bad movie.

    • Kaki says:

      Re: good

      I like to pretend it didn’t happen to, since that was such a bad movie.

      Me too.

  2. lunadude says:

    Ahh, Pretending…
    Kinda like Aliens pretends that Alien never happened. (THERE IS NO QUEEN AS PART OF THE ALIEN LIFE CYCLE)

    And like The Highlander 3 pretends that "There can be only more than one".

    Uh, and I’d like to forget T3 too.

    • Timeshredder says:

      Re: Ahh, Pretending…

      Kinda like later Trek Borg eps Aliens pretends that earlier Borg epsAlien never happened. (THERE IS NO QUEEN AS PART OF THE BorgALIEN LIFE CYCLE)

      And like The Highlander 3 pretends that "There can be only more than one".

      Uh, and I’d like to forget T3 too.

      There was a T3?

    • dkichline says:

      Re: Ahh, Pretending…

      Kinda like Aliens pretends that Alien never happened. (THERE IS NO QUEEN AS PART OF THE ALIEN LIFE CYCLE)

      And like The Highlander 3 pretends that "There can be only more than one".

      Uh, and I’d like to forget T3 too.

      Can you please let me know how you know that the queen is not a part of the alien life cycle?

    • babasyzygy says:

      Re: Ahh, Pretending…

      Kinda like Aliens pretends that Alien never happened. (THERE IS NO QUEEN AS PART OF THE ALIEN LIFE CYCLE)

      Um. In Alien we are introduced to eggs in a decrepit extraterrestrial craft previously crewed by 3rd alien species, victimized by Aliens in some ancient, undefined conflict that only gave one member of the old species to transmit a warning. We don’t know where the eggs came from. We only see face-huggers and warriors – and have no clue how they might produce eggs.

      How does discovering that a queen produces eggs pretend that Alien didn’t happen?

      • mfarah says:

        Re: Ahh, Pretending…

        We don’t know where the eggs came from. We only see face-huggers and warriors – and have no clue how they might produce eggs.

        Actually, we do. Do look at the deleted scene.

        • lunadude says:

          Re: Ahh, Pretending…

          We don’t know where the eggs came from. We only see face-huggers and warriors – and have no clue how they might produce eggs.

          Actually, we do. Do look at the deleted scene.

          Exactly. Some people need to brush up on the "classics".

          Egg > Facehugger > attaches to host > Chestburster > Adult Alien > attacks/cocoons new host > cocooned host becomes Egg (repeat)

          • Trekkie says:

            Re: Ahh, Pretending…

            Egg > Facehugger > attaches to host > Chestburster > Adult Alien > attacks/cocoons new host > cocooned host becomes Egg (repeat)

            Was this a deleted scene? while I admit it has been some time (few years) since I’ve sat through and watched them un-edited on DVD vs. catching bits here and there when they air on TV. I don’t recall that demonstration at all.

            If it is a deleted scene, when was that released?

            • lunadude says:

              Re: Ahh, Pretending…

              Egg > Facehugger > attaches to host > Chestburster > Adult Alien > attacks/cocoons new host > cocooned host becomes Egg (repeat)

              Was this a deleted scene?…

              If it is a deleted scene, when was that released?

              Yes it was a deleted scene. It does appear in the extras of the Director’s Cut.

              Some info on the "cocoon scene" is here: http://members.tripod.com/CORP_HICKS/alienms.html

              It is a holdover from early story ideas involving an Egyptian-style Giger pyramid. There was to be a discovery of some hieroglyphics showing the cycle. See the Wikipedia page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(film)

              • babasyzygy says:

                Re: Ahh, Pretending…

                Yes it was a deleted scene. It does appear in the extras of the Director’s Cut.

                So the complaint was a little deceptive. It’s not that they’re ignoring the movie, it’s that they’re ignoring scenes that were cut from the movie. The first would be blatantly obnoxious, the second… is just slightly irritating.

          • babasyzygy says:

            Re: Ahh, Pretending…

            Exactly. Some people need to brush up on the "classics".

            No. Some people need to stop changing the "classics."

        • TomSwiss says:

          Re: Ahh, Pretending…

          Actually, we do. Do look at the deleted scene.

          And how do you figure that a scene that was deleted, hence not in the movie, can be canonical?

          • mfarah says:

            Re: Ahh, Pretending…

            Actually, we do. Do look at the deleted scene.

            And how do you figure that a scene that was deleted, hence not in the movie, can be canonical?

            Because it was cut off for dramatic reasons.

            And because the concept is so much better than the queen
            idea: this way, there isn’t a single point of failure (kill
            the queen => get rid of future aliens).

            If the Alien was meant to be so incredibly dangerous, it
            follows that it should self-perpetuate in the most dangerous
            way, too.

            IMNAAHO.

            • rickyjames says:

              Re: Ahh, Pretending…
              Huh. Thanks for this thread, I had no idea. You can learn something new every day.

              Now let’s start a similar thread on the Borg and suss out where to retrocon how ST messed up by slowly defanging and declawing their best and most unique bad guy…

              And how did the Borg get started, anyway? Probably something to do with an election gone bad after being decided by hanging chads…

            • belzedaar says:

              Re: Ahh, Pretending…

              If the Alien was meant to be so incredibly dangerous, it
              follows that it should self-perpetuate in the most dangerous
              way, too.

              IMNAAHO.

              I agree with both points of view actually. An individual can reproduce to avoid the "single point of failure" issue, but if the conditions are right and you have the time, you grow a queen and make the new alien process work on an industrial scale. It also removes the need for 2 separate hosts, one for the facehugger stage, and another for the egg stage.

              • joe__gee says:

                Re: Ahh, Pretending…

                I agree with both points of view actually. An individual can reproduce to avoid the "single point of failure" issue, but if the conditions are right and you have the time, you grow a queen and make the new alien process work on an industrial scale. It also removes the need for 2 separate hosts, one for the facehugger stage, and another for the egg stage.

                I think about how the aliens adapt to their host species. The obvious physical changes occur in the first generation (the alien dog from A-3.) Perhaps a similar reproductive change also occurs, several generations later? Some insect species do something very similar to this (I recall reading something similar to this as an explanation for the Alien queen the first time around.)

                In the presence of a queen, soldiers do not reproduce; the queen lays soldier eggs, but remove the queen (and an inhibiting influence, chemical of some sort), and soldiers reproduce asexually until they reach a certain threshhold (again a chemical/hormonal cue), then soldiers reproduce sexually, making queens.

                This system is natural to some terrestrial bugs. :)

                -Joe

                • y42 says:

                  Re: Ahh, Pretending…

                  This system is natural to some terrestrial bugs. :)

                  Which is exactly why it sucks.
                  The original reproduction method was alien.

                  • mfarah says:

                    Re: Ahh, Pretending…

                    This system is natural to some terrestrial bugs. :)

                    Which is exactly why it sucks.
                    The original reproduction method was alien.

                    You put it far better than I could possibly have. :-)

                    Thanks.

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