50 replies on ““Enterprise” meets the Borg.”

  1. Eldhrin says:

    Well, that’s it for them then
    While it will be interesting to see the early Borg, somehow I doubt they’re anywhere near as technologically lacking in that time period as the humans are, so Enterprise should get its ass thoroughly kicked and we’ll never hear from them again.

    Woohoo!

    Oh no, I forgot, they have help from the 31st Century, and of course there’s the ever-meddling Q. Bah! Bah to all of it! Just throw the whole storyline out the window why don’t you? The only plausible ways I can see for this to happen is if they encounter Borg from the future attempting something akin to First Contact’s plot, in which case they should die in about a millisecond (or be ignored because they’re pathetic), or if the Borg get to where Enterprise is (or vice versa) by pure fluke – unstable wormhole, Q, etc. Either way, it SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. Or will the series end with time being reset so none of it ever happened? That’s the only way they have to preserve continuity now.

  2. Babbster says:

    Sad News For A Sad Show
    This would be worse news if I were still more than vaguely interested in the show. Enterprise was the first show that I had programmed faithfully into my ReplayTV that I dropped. Even more sad is that I didn’t drop it because something else was on that I wanted to watch (though I have been watching That 70s Show lately). Instead, it was just because it was so bad that I couldn’t take it anymore. OT, the second show that I cut was The Practice – Kelly needs a break himself.

    Here’s hoping that they abort this show soon instead of just drawing it out longer and longer, tying up resources in a show that just isn’t good enough to continue. I don’t think the Star Trek universe is over in terms of television shows (there are obviously still ideas out there that could work) but this one is so pitiful in terms of creativity that it makes me want to watch Voyager reruns.

    • y42 says:

      Re: Sad News For A Sad Show

      this one is so pitiful in terms of creativity that it makes me want to watch Voyager reruns.

      Ouch!

  3. Timeshredder says:

    We assimilate all old Trek ideas….
    In all fairness, the Borg are allegedly going to be frozen survivors from “First Contact,” which would be less offensive to continuity than those stupid Ferengi who showed up. But, yeah, not much originality here.

    • TechnoGirl says:

      Re: We assimilate all old Trek ideas….

      In all fairness, the Borg are allegedly going to be frozen survivors from “First Contact,”

      Ummmmmm Borgsicles….ummmmmm

  4. bombadil says:

    Next on Enterprise…
    Coming soon is an episode where T’Pol hijacks the Enterprise and takes it to a far far world and drops off her ex-commander ‘Captain Spike’. She then faces a court-martial where all is revealed and the disfigured ‘Spike’ can live in peace under the beneficial illusions of the aliens T’Pol left him with.
    Wooo-hooo!

    Damn… why don’t they realize they are KILLING this show and shake it up a little? Kill some red-shirts. Make Reed secretly gay. Make Hoshi fall in love with the Doctor and get discommunicated from her old fashioned family because the Doctor isn’t Chinese (not because he isn’t human). Make Porthos an undercover agent of the Temporal Cold War. Make Archer go away.

    • rickyjames says:

      Re: Next on Enterprise…

      Make Hoshi fall in love with the Doctor and get discommunicated from her old fashioned family because the Doctor isn’t Chinese (not because he isn’t human). Make Porthos an undercover agent of the Temporal Cold War.

      Hoshi’s Japanese. Your Porthos idea, tho, is far superior to what currently passes for creativity on Enterprise…

  5. quantaman says:

    Oh no!
    Uuugh, I was hoping that the headline was just a bad joke. I think that B & B are sisk of Start Trek but they’re too chicken to quit so they’re trying to kill the show instead. This last ditch effort to grab viewers is just nausiating and I’m never going to watch that show again… well I guess that last statement is kind of redundant since I’ve stopped watching it a while ago but it isn’t contradictory so i’ll let it stick. The only thing that could draw me back would be some truly origional plot lines. I know they could make these interactive holographic theater things, lets call them holodecks, where you can actually touch things because they use forcefields or something but when they’re in there the computer screws up and the safety protocols go offline!!!!

    • y42 says:

      Re: Oh no!

      Uuugh, I was hoping that the headline was just a bad joke. I think that B & B are sisk of Start Trek but they’re too chicken to quit so they’re trying to kill the show instead.

      Actually, no, from what I gather, Enterprise is exactly what Berman thinks Star Trek should be. I read an article in 1991 where he described what he thought was wrong with Star Trek and how he was gonna “fix” it.
      He said that it was lame that everyone was good friends on the bridge, that a show needed tension. That Starfleet should be more of a military outfit than a scouting outfit, that earth as a utopia was uninterresting and would have to go, and that starships were too comfortable. He thought they should be more like submarines: cramped and uncomfy and hostile. I decided then that Rick Berman must die…I’ve softened up my position since to “Rick Berman should be banned from anything Trek, and maybe die”.

      The stupid thing is that he is voluntarily taking the show away from the fans. He knows he’s killing the fan-base, but he think he’s making it more mainstream, and that it will therefore be more profitable when the geeks no longer like it. I fear that he’s quite insane.

      • Eldhrin says:

        Re: Oh no!

        Actually, no, from what I gather, Enterprise is exactly what Berman thinks Star Trek should be. I read an article in 1991 where he described what he thought was wrong with Star Trek and how he was gonna “fix” it.
        He said that it was lame that everyone was good friends on the bridge, that a show needed tension. That Starfleet should be more of a military outfit than a scouting outfit, that earth as a utopia was uninterresting and would have to go, and that starships were too comfortable. He thought they should be more like submarines: cramped and uncomfy and hostile. I decided then that Rick Berman must die…I’ve softened up my position since to “Rick Berman should be banned from anything Trek, and maybe die”.

        The stupid thing is that he is voluntarily taking the show away from the fans. He knows he’s killing the fan-base, but he think he’s making it more mainstream, and that it will therefore be more profitable when the geeks no longer like it. I fear that he’s quite insane.

        Okay, that’s utterly insane. Sure, early starships would be cramped and uncomfortable, but Enterprise is hardly that… so he’s failed on that for starters. Earth as a utopia is already well-established for the 24th century, so I guess Enterprise was the only way he could show it otherwise… unless he goes further forward in time and shows the whole thing has collapsed (which might be cool, post-apocalyptic Star Trek after the Federation’s fallen apart anyone?)

        • yoggoth says:

          Re: Oh no!

          Okay, that’s utterly insane. Sure, early starships would be cramped and uncomfortable, but Enterprise is
          hardly that… so he’s failed on that for starters. Earth as a utopia is already well-established for the
          24th century, so I guess Enterprise was the only way he could show it otherwise… unless he goes further
          forward in time and shows the whole thing has collapsed (which might be cool, post-apocalyptic Star Trek
          after the Federation’s fallen apart anyone?)

          From what I’ve read, Andromeda was originally a future timeline for trek. And we’ve seen how that’s turning
          out. So much promise ruined for a quick buck.

          • Timeshredder says:

            can’t wait for the tribbles….
            Hey, why not just accept things as they are? Instead of suggesting to B&B what might actually make Enterprise work as a Trek show, let’s give’em ideas that appeal to their sensibilities, like:

            -use the “millionaire” angle. Fans bet on which ep will reuse which old Trek concept (I call, sixth episode next season, space hippies).

            -Have the crew crash and form two tribes.

            -include even more gratuitous sexual elements. Forget making sex relevant to the story or making the characters interesting so we actually care if they have a personal life. Have the climate control fail so that the ENTIRE crew has to strip down to underwear! Have the Enterprise visit Sappho IV, where Hoshi discovers her true repressed sexual nature among the planet’s scantily-clad inhabitants. And if you’re going to explore the cave systems on every other planet, make the most of that metaphor!

            -Reveal Vulcan to be a complete dictatorship, which the Romulans left to set up a much less stifling society.

            -Bring on a Trill officer, just to please those old-time fans. No one cares about continuity, right?

            • GrimSean says:

              Re: can’t wait for the tribbles….

              -Reveal Vulcan to be a complete dictatorship, which the Romulans left to set up a much less stifling society.

              From the way things have been shaping up, I really wouldn’t be too suprised if this actually did happen. It would fly in the face of the continuity, but, hey, that hasn’t stopped them yet.

        • y42 says:

          Re: Oh no!

          Earth as a utopia is already well-established for the 24th century, so I guess Enterprise was the only way he could show it otherwise… unless he goes further forward in time and shows the whole thing has collapsed (which might be cool, post-apocalyptic Star Trek after the Federation’s fallen apart anyone?)

          Well, he already busted the earth utopia in DS9…remember when the dominion spies turned earth into a police-state? With armed starfleet (huh?) officers all over, blood checks, etc.

  6. scharkalvin says:

    Not a threat to the cannon
    Actually the storyline is plausable. Consider this:
    The Borg stranded in the 22nd Century are cut off from their collective.
    They may be too far away in both distance and time to make contact,
    they don’t have their own ship (they hijacked a federation ship that is no match for Enterprise). This time period IS not a very well explored part of the Star Trek cannon, not even in paperback novels (which contrdict each other so often I don’t consider the paper back pulp part of the cannon). So Berman may be on somewhat stable ground here. Just because the Ferangi were never mentioned in TOS doesn’t mean they weren’t part of the star trek universe in the 23rd century either.

    I do feel that Rodenberry was TOO optimistic about technical progress to have placed trek in the 23rd century (let alone the 22nd!) though. Maybe 500 – 1000 years further into the future would have been more correct, but that idea would not have been popular. Hey, Buck Rogers was better placed timewise (and it was not as technically advanced).

    • GrimSean says:

      Re: Not a threat to the cannon

      Just because the Ferangi were never mentioned in TOS doesn’t mean they weren’t part of the star trek universe in the 23rd century either.

      They were first mentioned in the pilot of The Next Generation and seen for the first time in “The Last Outpost” (according to the box set it was the fourth aired and seventh filmed). Picard states right in the beginning voice over that it was to be their “first look at a lifeform, discounting rumour, we know almost nothing about”. It sounds more like the Federation was slowly expanding into areas at that point that the Ferengi were allready in – they hadn’t seen them yet, but they’d talked to people who had.

      Overall, I think this whole Borg in Enterprise thing might be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back for a lot of fans. I’m willing to forgive Trek for a lot – I’ve been watching it my whole life – but this is starting to grate on my nerves. Enterprise had such promise when it started, but now B&B with their fetish for time-travel and Borg are ruining it to make it ‘mainstream’ – how it needs to be more mainstream I don’t know, as most people at least know of it (people who hate it can still do a decent Kirk impression).

      • UncleJam says:

        Re: Not a threat to the cannon

        They were first mentioned in the pilot of The Next Generation and seen for the first time in “The Last Outpost” (according to the box set it was the fourth aired and seventh filmed). Picard states right in the beginning voice over that it was to be their “first look at a lifeform, discounting rumour, we know almost nothing about”. It sounds more like the Federation was slowly expanding into areas at that point that the Ferengi were allready in – they hadn’t seen them yet, but they’d talked to people who had.

        Plus, all that Archer & Co. would have been able to tell Starfleet (if I’m remembering the ep correctly and the word “Ferengi” was never actually mentioned where anyone on the Enterprise could hear it; and even if it was, there are easy ways around that) is that they encountered some short aliens with big ears. If there had been no further concrete physical descriptions or encounters with the Ferengi by Picard’s time, how would anyone know that the big-eared short aliens and the Ferengi were one and the same?

    • Babbster says:

      Re: Not a threat to the cannon
      To me, the point isn’t whether or not the story could work in terms of continuity and quality (it could end up being the best episode of the year – not saying much). What bothers me most about the show is that they are so busy recycling elements of the other shows while simultaneously tossing out whatever’s inconvenient, that the show isn’t good on its own. Having a Borg episode (or even two-parter) in the third or fourth season of a GOOD show would more likely be pure entertainment. In this case, it’s a naked grab for ratings by a show that just isn’t cutting the mustard (see Voyager for more examples…can you say Jeri Ryan? I knew you could).

      • Joey_Cavalier says:

        Re: Not a threat to the cannon
        After First Contact I think the Borg work beter than the Frengi. I think the Frengi episode was a BIG stretch, but it didn’t ruin the series for me, no more than the idea of traveling to Quo’Nos at warp 4.5 in 5 days. According to published materials Vulcan Star Charts involved Sub space short cuts… so if Warp Space is uh… “Warped” maybe we could pretent a meeting between the Frengi and Enterprise was a big fluke being far from both the Star Fleets and the Frengis normal travel space, plus maybe Picard was talking about the Federation’s fist encounter with the Frengi, not star fleets. Yeah the Frengi are a big stretch, but the borg as a folow up to First Contact isn’t a very big stretch.

        • unicron55555 says:

          Re: Not a threat to the cannon
          Personally, I think the Borg should be kept out of Enterprise period. I don’t think such an episode would necessarily be bad, but the Borg simply don’t belong in this series. That’s kind of like putting the Cardassians in TOS. Given how they’ve already screwed up the continuity with the Klingons, they should leave well enough alone and concentrate on introducing some of the Federation aliens we haven’t seen yet.

  7. Daemonik says:

    The way it should be
    Rather than dreding up the Borg there are plenty of old villains from TOS that could survive on Enterprise.

    For instance, due to our not having WWIII in the Nineties like Rodenberry predicted (which led to the Earth Utopia that Trek is based on) then there is no Euginics war. No Euginics war means no Khan!!

    So how about retelling Khan’s arc so that they were part of a radical seperatist group who felt that exposure to the Vulcans was ultimately going to dilute “Humanity”. It’s plausible, certainly still relevant to today and the future, plus it brings back a character that hasn’t been played to death by B&B.

    • UncleJam says:

      Re: The way it should be
      Or how about just saying that, in the Star Trek universe, WW3 did happen in the 90’s. Next “problem”!

      • Joey_Cavalier says:

        Re: The way it should be
        In a way ALL fiction take place in an alternate universe, so Earth of Star Treks past and future doesn’t have to match our world perfectly… however I would like to know if the new B&B age of Trek folows the ideas of the original or changed to match our new world… I’m equally ok ether way, I’m just wondering.
        I’d look forward to an episode of Enterprise that tells more about Earth’s history.

  8. rickyjames says:

    I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…
    …there’s no place I can be, since I found Serenity….

    • Jethro says:

      Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

      …there’s no place I can be, since I found Serenity….

      Yeah, Firefly is a far better show than Enterprise. Too bad it has that unfortunate timeslot of NEVER.

      • y42 says:

        Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

        …there’s no place I can be, since I found Serenity….

        Yeah, Firefly is a far better show than Enterprise. Too bad it has that unfortunate timeslot of NEVER.

        Sad but true. Hey, does that mean that they bumped Futurama out of that slot then? ;- )

        And, btw,
        I don’t care, I’m still free. You can’t take the sky from me…

        • Timeshredder says:

          Re: Ferengi, Eugenics War, continuity
          Ok, ok…. The word “Ferengi” was never mentioned. But the Federation’s complete unfamiliarity with the race (rumours only) before Season 1 of Next Gen seems implausible, given that Ferengi had such easy access to our territory in Archer’s time. More to the point, their appearance brings out the paucity of imagination that characterizes Enterprise.

          The Eugenics War has always presented a problem for Trek continuity, even at the time (Khan would’ve been a child at the time of the show’s broadcast, or shortly thereafter). My favourite explanation (other than my own tongue-in-cheek one at the Unified Field Crossover History of the Universe; the Eugenics War occurs at the same time as the O.J. Trial, so the average North American Couch Potato didn’t notice) is that the dates mentioned in previous episodes are off by about 100 years. We just have to pretend not to notice, sort of like Roddenberry wanted us to pretend not to notice the absence of Klingon forehead ridges. It’s difficult to maintain continuity for so many years; I’d be willing to cut that sort of slack, if they were still producing good Trek.

          There are novels out now about the Eugenics War. I haven’t read them. As someone said elsewhere, the novels contradict each other.

          I suppose we could play with alternate timelines, but…. (I forget who first pointed this out) No Khan, no Wrath of Khan, consequently no TOS crew hijacking ships to bring Spock back, and therefore no Enterprise crew in a Klingon vessel to go back in time and save the whales. Therefore, no earth in the 24th century, and no NextGen, DS9, Voyager (perhaps no loss w/ that last one)…. Or future Temporal Cold Warriors as seen in Enterprise….

        • rickyjames says:

          Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

          Hey, does that mean that they bumped Futurama out of that slot then? ;- )

          And, btw,
          I don’t care, I’m still free. You can’t take the sky from me…

          You know, I am really enjoying the Futurama reruns on Cartoon Channel on my TiVo. I never got into that show because I was always doing something else when it came on first run, but I always knew it was tres hip. Now I’m ODing on it and it is GREAT.

          But not as good as FF. Mark my words, that’s comin back. It is just too pretty to die. They’re not putting Fillion and Torres on as recurring guest stars on the final half dozen eps of Buffy and Angel for nothin. There’s a PLAN at work here…

          • Babbster says:

            Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

            But not as good as FF. Mark my words, that’s comin back. It is just too pretty to die. They’re not putting Fillion and Torres on as recurring guest stars on the final half dozen eps of Buffy and Angel for nothin. There’s a PLAN at work here…

            One can only hope that the “plan” involves already having made a back-room deal with either WB or UPN to bring the show back next year. I’ll pledge an extra hour per week of viewing to whichever network is willing to give us Firefly. :)

        • Joey_Cavalier says:

          Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…
          I think it’s very sad Futurama is getting the bump it did have a bad time slot, how many times was it preempted for some crappy sport. As for Fire Fly, it’s no Enterprise, maybe I just missed the good episodes, but for what I saw was mostly uninteresting with only a few cool moments.
          Even the opening it was depressing, it even went for a “gasp” western look and tone “yuck”
          Horses and a country theme “ugh”.
          Fire Fly was no Enterprise or FarScape, maybe an Andromeda season 3, but no Andromeda season 1 or 2.
          Both Futurama and the Family Guy were quite good, I am surprised that they didn’t outlast King of the Hill.

          • rickyjames says:

            Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

            As for Fire Fly, it’s no Enterprise, maybe I just missed the good episodes, but for what I saw was mostly uninteresting with only a few cool moments.

            Yep, and it’s Fox’s fault – they ran the show out of order with the pilot last, God only knows why, for some reason they must have WANTED FF to fail. In the last half-dozen eps FF hit its stride bigtime, but nobody was around to see it by then. Watch Serenity, Out of Gas, Ariel, War Stories, and Objects in Space in that order and I guarantee you’ll be a rabid FF fan too. The last five minutes of Ariel have made several critics lists for “best TV scenes of 2002”. Somehow what has happened to FF as a TV series mirrors the whole concept of what the show is really about. It is eerie. But I say again, FF is just too pretty to die (a catchphrase from the “Serenity” pilot). In contrast, Enterprise is becoming too ugly to live.

          • y42 says:

            Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

            Fire Fly was no Enterprise or FarScape, maybe an Andromeda season 3, but no Andromeda season 1 or 2.

            First of all, its Firefly, one word.

            Secondly, you’ve watched entire seasons of Andromeda? I can’t even watch an entire episode! I mean I’ve tried to watch it many times, I even tried to watch the borg-rip-off show a couple of times, but I can’t stand the crappyness for an entire hour at a time. Then again, same goes for Hercules, who’s fans I guess are the basic demographic for Andromeda.

            As for Fire Fly, it’s no Enterprise, maybe I just missed the good episodes, but for what I saw was mostly uninteresting with only a few cool moments. Even the opening it was depressing, it even went for a “gasp” western look and tone “yuck” Horses and a country theme “ugh”.

            There we go, every person who talks down on Firefly has 1)Never really watched it and 2)Don’t like it because it has a western look.

            Talk about superficiality!

            -begin sarcasm
            Yeah, horses on alien planets…that’ll NEVER happen! That makes no sense! Why would people bring hosrses on starships? Pure folly! Its not like we’ll need livestock in the future.
            -end sarcasm

            • Joey_Cavalier says:

              Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…
              Horses as live stock? not many people eat horse, and if you can fly around the galaxy couldn’t you come up with a vehicle that doesn’t need to eat even when it’s not in use?

              • Joey_Cavalier says:

                Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

                Horses as live stock? not many people eat horse, and if you can fly around the galaxy couldn’t you come up with a vehicle that doesn’t need to eat even when it’s not in use?

                In case you didn’t understand, horses are used for transportation more often than food (I don’t eat horse, do you?) and if you have the technology to travel the stars you should be able to come up with a beter vehicle.
                You’d be wasting resources and effort on horses when you could do things easier and more efficently ofter ways.
                I suppose if your space ship was broke down some where in the cosmic void you could eat your horses out of desperation… but in desperation humans can eat plants, a garden on a ship would make O2 and food for people, taking horses along would just use up extra air and resources, so in the end even that wouldn’t work out.
                —- PS. You may think I didn’t give the show a chance, yes, I didn’t like the western tone, and it was a down point for me, but I did watch as much as I could, the high point for me was in that episode where near the end the captian was fighting that guy and that woman says: “The Captain has to handle this for him self” and the captain yells: “No he doesn’t” or something to that line, that’s the only part I remember as an outstanding moment, and it didn’t make up for the fact I found most of the characters uninteresting. sorry I have higher expectations. (maybe if I saw all the episodes I’d like it more, and if they put it in a time slot when I’m normally home I’d probably give it an other try, missed a lot of episodes of Star Hunter too, but it seems to be a far beter than Fire Fly)

              • fiziko says:

                Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

                Horses as live stock? not many people eat horse, and if you can fly around the galaxy couldn’t you come up with a vehicle that doesn’t need to eat even when it’s not in use?

                It’s a lot easier to pack a bag of seeds onto an interstellar transport than it is to pack along mining equipment for metals, refineries and oil retrieval systems for fuel, trained mechanics to exact repairs… If you’re looking at having a colony that exists indefinitely starting with an undeveloped planet, using pack animals and livestock is much more reasonable, and more fuel efficient on your transports, than packing a fleet of cars or other machinery.

                • Joey_Cavalier says:

                  Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…
                  If we ever manage to travel to other star systems I hope our vehicles are going to be more advanced than gas power motors, if we can’t advance beyond our gas powered cars by the time we travel space then I guess were not trying to make a beter motor.

                • Joey_Cavalier says:

                  Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

                  It’s a lot easier to pack a bag of seeds onto an interstellar transport than it is to pack along mining equipment for metals, refineries and oil retrieval systems for fuel, trained mechanics to exact repairs… If you’re looking at having a colony that exists indefinitely starting with an undeveloped planet, using pack animals and livestock is much more reasonable, and more fuel efficient on your transports, than packing a fleet of cars or other machinery.

                  Who is going to go out to new planets first Scientists? People with Technical skills for Bulding new societys?
                  Big corperations out for new resources? or just the Farmers?

                  • fiziko says:

                    Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

                    Who is going to go out to new planets first Scientists? People with Technical skills for Bulding new societys?
                    Big corperations out for new resources? or just the Farmers?

                    I don’t know who’ll be the first to build a colony, but a self-sustaining colony will take time to build the infrastructure required to maintain and build complex machinery. How long would it take us to rebuild if we were stuck on a pre-Industrial Revolution world with no supplies? I find the idea of bringing horses and cows to other worlds to be more than plausible, but even likely.

                    • y42 says:

                      Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

                      Who is going to go out to new planets first Scientists? People with Technical skills for Bulding new societys?
                      Big corperations out for new resources? or just the Farmers?

                      I don’t know who’ll be the first to build a colony, but a self-sustaining colony will take time to build the infrastructure required to maintain and build complex machinery. How long would it take us to rebuild if we were stuck on a pre-Industrial Revolution world with no supplies? I find the idea of bringing horses and cows to other worlds to be more than plausible, but even likely.

                      Here’s the way I’d do it:
                      Step 1: Terraform planet.
                      Step 2: Drop a bunch of Amsih, with tools and livestock.

                      Wait a while (terraform another world while you wait).

                      Step 3: Take over the Amish’s farmland, move Amish to another newly terraformed world.

                      There you go! You now have a world wich can produce its own food, ready to be populated with “modern” people and their technology.
                      Hell, you might want to keep some of the Amish around to mind the farms while you build your factories, mines and cities. Beats plowing the field yourself, and I’m sure the Amish will be ready to sell you food and quilts in exchange for raw materials they would need.

                    • rickyjames says:

                      Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…
                      As I said before in my posting to the Firefly “Our Mrs. Reynolds” review:

                      I think the key thing about the Firefly universe is that it IS realistic in ways that Star Wars and Star Trek haven’t been, and we are so unused to realism on THIS topic that it seems strange when we finally see it. In both SW and especially ST, the technology is universal. Everybody belongs to the Federation or Empire or whatever and even tho there are regional differences, there’s still a roughly equivalent level of technology everywhere you go. Case in point, the similarity of Romulan and Earth space mines. In reality on Earth today, there’s the so called First World and the so-called Third World (and the so-called communist Second World has effectively self destructed). The FW is the USA, Europe, Canada and Japan & Australia and the TW is effectively Asia, Africa and Central / South America. The technological and social advancement levels are VERY stratified on Earth today – you are either in the very rich 20% of population or in the 80% of the very poor population (including Somalia).

                      On Firefly, their equivalent of the FW is the Alliance – and altho they havent had time to go into it, it seems effectively as tho Hitler has won WWII and the FW/Alliance is Nazi. So the good guys have faded into the 80% population of the Firefly time’s Third World planets, and those guys have very primative tech. (Admittedly this would imply the Alliance goons had laser/phasers while evrybody else was stuck with gunpowder, which we didn’t see last week…oh well). Now on a TV budget, they can’t show stone age and medevial and colonial and western and 20th Century levels of tech, different every week – so I think they have settled on the METAPHOR of the 1880s to represent the primitive tech of that time’s “TW”. It’s recognizable and even romantic and mythic to an American audience, plus the props are available and cheap. This really isn’t any different from Buffy, where the series settled on the 1700s Gothic image of vampires as the show’s depicted metaphoric level of “technology”.

                      Besides the gunpowder vs Uzi vs phaser curiosity, Firefly also doesn’t focus with wonder on the whole “warp/hyperspace” angle that’s a staple of both SW and ST. Serenity just goes from planet to planet, no special effects or big deal. That’s willing suspension of disbelief instead of technobabble about a mythical technology that we 21st century geeks would give our left arm to be the discoverer of. All three shows basically ignore the possibilities / potential / reality of late 20th century nuclear weapons that all three should have and use (even if it’s only as a threat, as the US has used them since Hiroshima and Nagasaki). That’s willing suspension of disbelief, too.

                      Perhaps the best way of thinking about Firefly is that it is the OTHER branch of what could happen if there is a cataclysmic Dark Age like Mad Max or the Star Trek Eugenics Wars between now and getting to the stars. ST always assumed we would overcome the dark age and achieve universal equality. Firefly says we split into a super-high-tech Alliance FW with cathedral-like starships and a super low-tech scum TW stuck with things like gunpowder and Firefly-class ships and 1800s style planetary societies. If we’ve accepted and even lionized the former for 35 years, we can sure give an attempted stylized depiction the latter some respect.

                    • y42 says:

                      Re: I’m Glad I’ve Already Bailed on Enterprise…

                      On Firefly, their equivalent of the FW is the Alliance – and altho they havent had time to go into it, it seems effectively as tho Hitler has won WWII and the FW/Alliance is Nazi.

                      The Alliance’s full name is the Anglo-Cino Alliance. Where the US (and to a lesser extent, the rest of the english speaking world) and China merged into an interplanetary alliance. That’s why everyone speaks both english and chineese.

              • y42 says:

                Horses

                Horses as live stock? not many people eat horse, and if you can fly around the galaxy couldn’t you come up with a vehicle that doesn’t need to eat even when it’s not in use?

                Again, first of all, its livestock, one word : )

                Secondly, livestock isn’t just walking meat. According to Webster’s: Main Entry: live·stock
                Pronunciation: ‘lIv-“stäk
                Function: noun
                Date: 1742
                : animals kept or raised for use or pleasure; especially : farm animals kept for use and profit.

                See? Good.

                Ok, now, I’m working under the assumption that you haven’t seen the pilot (Fox worked hard at making sure no one would ever see it ;- ), so you probably didn’t get to hear captain Reynold’s “Here’s how it is” speech. He explained that the central planets of the alliance are rich, technologically advance and full of megacities and flying cars and other l33t future stuff.
                The outer planets, however, are poor, newly terraformed, and not developped yet.

                In the Firefly universe, there ARE “vehicles that don’t need to eat even when not in use”, but not everyone can afford them. Just like in the real world right now (you never saw a picture of some 3rd world farmer plowing with a skinny buffalo??).
                Now, the cool thing about horses, is that if you drop, say, 10 of ’em on a planet and come back a few years later, you get hundreds (or thousands, depends how long you wait) of “vehicles” running around, feeding themselves on the growing things you placed there when you terraformed, and reproducing all on their own. Perfect for your poor colonists. Especially if they are starving colonists.

                Its not about inventing starships and flying cars at the same time, its about being rich enough to afford flying cars. Hell, just the insurance on a flying car must be pretty damn steep!

  9. Lurch_Kimded says:

    Just a thought…
    This whole Borg in Enterprise thing could be a brilliant opportunity.

    Assimilate the NX-01, take over the crew, the Borg use their ship to get to the delta quadrant and become the first Borg collective with T’Pol as their Borg Queen, rename series to “ST : Borg” and have them taking over and slaughtering millions of races.

    Hey anything’s gotta be better than what will probably happen. Which will probably be that somehow the Enterprise crew manage to defeat an already expanding Borg collective. Which of course is stupid as even in ST:TNG and ST:DS9 they had problems with a small hive. Oh, and since this is a collective from the time of Nemesis it means that their nanites will be able to create tech of that era which should, if you pardon the expression, blow seven bells of crap out of the NX-01 and its crew.

    Unfortunately knowing this series no matter what happens it will probably be rubbish, although as a fan of the Borg I do await with baited breath to see if wonder of wonders this turns out to be a good episode. (you never know)

    • Joey_Cavalier says:

      Re: Just a thought…
      I’m not sure about that, after Voyager I’ve lost a lot of faith in B&B, but, so far I don’t find Enterprise to be all that silly that they would go up against anything too big. and if the Borg were to assimilate a very small ship with hardly any weapons, or no weapons, wouldn’t the borg take some time to replicate weapons as powerful as the ones on a 24th century ship? If the ship didn’t have any weapon ports would they send a Drone with a blaster to a window, and how powerful would he be (well that doesn’t sound all that good ether)…
      I don’t know what’s going to happen in this episode, but I think it has a chance to be good, but then after Voyager, there is also a chance it will be bad.
      I think the Borg idea COULD be a good one, if they do a good job with it.
      (I give it a 50/50 chance for being very good or very dumb)

      • y42 says:

        Re: Just a thought…

        if the Borg were to assimilate a very small ship with hardly any weapons, or no weapons, wouldn’t the borg take some time to replicate weapons as powerful as the ones on a 24th century ship?

        About 10 minutes. Go watch ST:VIII again, see how long it took them to take over engineering. And if there isn’t enough raw materials for that on board, beam a single drone on the next passing ship, let him assimilate the entire unsuspecting crew in about 42 seconds flat.

        We all know how the Borg used to be uber powerfull, but we also know that Berman is gonna regurgitate a neutered version of the coolest ST villains ever just for a quick grab at ratings.

        Personaly, I miss the days when the Borg were so utterly undefeatable that they would send ONE CUBE to assimilate the entire federation of planets (hey, it failed, but the Picard & Data team is unbeatable! Mwahahaha!). But now they are so lame that their entire cubic fleet can’t even assimilate one tiny undermanned damaged stranded ship (Voyager). Sigh

        • Lurch_Kimded says:

          Re: Just a thought…

          Personaly, I miss the days when the Borg were so utterly undefeatable that they would send ONE CUBE to assimilate the entire federation of planets (hey, it failed, but the Picard & Data team is unbeatable! Mwahahaha!). But now they are so lame that their entire cubic fleet can’t even assimilate one tiny undermanned damaged stranded ship (Voyager). Sigh

          RIP – The Borg. Long may they assimilate the afterlife of “once-cool-bad-guy’s-that-got-ruined-by-corporations-and-bad-writing“.

          • Joey_Cavalier says:

            Re: Just a thought…
            I agree it’s quite disapointing how the Borg became a minor problem when they once were the overwhelming enemy.
            I even found them disapointing in First Contact.
            However, I still have hope for this episode, even with Borg infesting a small 22nd century ship it wouldn’t be anything like the NX-01 going up against a Cube. An other Earth ship would probably (but not definatly) lack a transporter, Remember the NX-01 is state of the art,
            I don’t recall any Star Trek story where a Borg could teleport it’s self with out using some sort of ship board transporter, and I recall in First Contact they couldn’t just pull technology out of thin air (or space) they had to alter the diflector dish into a communication system, so I don’t picture them souping up up a 22nd century Earth ship to the level of a Borg cube (or even to the level of 24th century star ship).
            Remember their limitations in First Contact, taking over a 22nd century ship they would have even less resources to work with, using the 1701-E’s replicators to make stuff VS using some little old 22nd century ships parts.
            The Borg should be able to make this ship able to put up a good fight, but I see nothing that would make me think they’d do anything as silly as put the NX-01 up aganst any thing as nasty as a cube or sphere.
            Even if Voyager did do a lot of stuff that silly, Enterprise hasn’t gone that far… yet,
            A folow up to First Contact is a good idea, and if they pull a Deep Space Nine quality episode it could be very good, but, if they pull a Voyager quality episode it will be very lame,
            I give the episode about a 50/50 chance of being ether very good or very bad)

  10. Joey_Cavalier says:

    Ok don’t phaser me over this, I got sheilds up…
    Looks like everyone hates the idea of Borg on Enterprise, I actually like the idea…
    The Borg, that is in a way, that is a folow up to First Contact.
    (I still like Star Trek, I was very disapointed with Voyager, but I like Enterprise next to my 2 favorites: Next Generation and Deep Space Nine)
    I found Voyager to be quite lame, but unlike a lot of people I found the move to Enterprise a good one for Star Trek. From the Start I found the 1st episode of Voyager borring, and as Voyager got more action packed it also got dumber… with Deep Space Nine I came to like that series as much as the Next Gen, but Voyager totally disapointed me. From the 1st Episode I loved Enterprise, a few things soon disapointed me like when the Torpedos failed why didn’t they try firing off the plasma weapons too, (hey it’s beter than nothing and at least it would look like they were trying, and hey even dumb old Voyager knew when your up against a powerfull enemy fire both the Phasers and Photon Torpedos, the NX-01 has 3 types of Weapons) and I didn’t feel they needed to use the Frengi, but hey even Picard had a fight with the Frengi before the “Official” fist encounter.
    After season 2 started I found it was getting less interesting, I liked how everything was new to them in the 1st season but now alien princess and miscommunications were getting monotonious, and they have made the Klingons borring.
    But I do like the episodes with the Andorians, and I like that the Vulcans are (even more) uptight in this time.
    Hey this is the time where things are supposed to come to a change and the Vulcans, Andorians, Humans and Tellerites will soon form a Federation in 2161 (9 years from now, maybe we should see more Tellerites).
    When they encountered the Tholians I found things were getting interesting again, I was disapointed they didn’t show the Tholians in person.
    B & B said they were going to keep the Tholians mysterous so they wouldn’t loose their cool like the Borg did.
    The Borg didn’t loose there cool because we discovered more about them, they became lame because of the lame Voyager episodes where the borg became a lame neusance rather than a big deadly force (The Borg queen didn’t help).
    I over all found Enterprise to be a come back for Star Trek, I was very disaponted with Voyager. Right now even the worst episodes Enteprise have not yet become as lame as the average for Voyager, or Season 3 of Andromeda, and I hate to say that after how very cool Seasons 1 and 2 of Andromeda was (but, Andromeda’s quality really dropped fast).
    Anyway I’m getting side tracked, but, I’m saying I think it’s easy to nit pick Enterprise because of how we all had perconceptions on Star Trek’s past, I’m actually happy with this series, and as long as the Borg are a follow up to the First Contact story I’ll be happy with them.
    Now I’d like to see the Cardassians, maybe before they became a Military dictatorship.
    Wow, I’ve been rambling alot…

    • unicron55555 says:

      Re: Ok don’t phaser me over this, I got sheilds up…
      While I feel the Borg should be left out, I agree with you that we should see more of the races we either haven’t seen or barely saw. They’ve already done a good job with the Tholians and Andorians. Why not indentify some of those other aliens at the Babel Conference (TOS) or on the Federation Council in the movies? I also hope to see more of the Romulans, because they could be a powerful story element given the tension between Vulcans and humans at this time. Also, there’s supposed to be a war against the Romulans within a decade of where Enterprise is now, so maybe they could lead up to that.

      Finally, I hope the producers don’t repeat a crtical mistake on Voyager. Now that we’ve seen the Suliban, don’t let them die off like the Kazon did in Voyager. The Kazon were an interesting race, but after the first season or so they just dropped out of existence.

      Good post! :)

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