Berman Reacts to Enterprise Cancellation

Oh yeah, this guy needs a good smacking.

Berman speaks with Sci-Fi Wire. He just doesn’t get why fans are tuning out. That statement, right there, should be Paramount’s final clue about him. He doesn’t understand the fans. He may never have, he just got lucky with smarter people around (Ron Moore and Ira Steven Behr come to mind).

Maybe his luck’s run out.

(Update 2-7-2005) Even User Friendly has a comment on the subject.

43 replies on “Berman Reacts to Enterprise Cancellation”

  1. Grounded says:

    Golden goose?
    Oh dear…

  2. y42 says:

    The full might of one’s ego

    “That just might be ego speaking, but I think we’ve done a great job. If you look at the performance of [Star Trek] Nemesis, you see what I think was a terrific movie that did not perform anywhere near as expected. I think that’s been happening with Enterprise.”

    I’m telling you, he’s actually proud of the space vampires.

    • Babbster says:

      Re: The full might of one’s ego
      He’s just typical Hollywood: “I think the movie/show is great. I guess the audience just doesn’t get it.” or “People must be tired of Star Trek if they don’t like what I’m doing with it because my work is clearly GOLD.”

      • Captian Tapol says:

        Re: The full might of one’s ego

        He’s just typical Hollywood: “I think the movie/show is great. I guess the audience just doesn’t get it.” or “People must be tired of Star Trek if they don’t like what I’m doing with it because my work is clearly GOLD.”

        I Thought Enterprise was stupid at first. How at this time I fell it it Totaly Awsome!! They are doing a great job on it. And cancelling it would be stupid ..

        Long Live Enterprise..

        Gee DS9 was shit and that lived !

  3. Eldhrin says:

    Idiots!
    It’s not about ‘franchise fatigue’, it’s about taking an amazing concept and wrecking it. That’s what the fans don’t like! Gods, man, go poke around the blogosphere and bit and see what the fans are saying!

    • Nightwanderer says:

      Re: Idiots!

      It’s not about ‘franchise fatigue’, it’s about taking an
      amazing concept and wrecking it. That’s what the fans
      don’t like! Gods, man, go poke around the blogosphere and
      bit and see what the fans are saying!

      It isn’t that simple. There will always be fans that
      worship anything with a Trek logo or chest badge on it.

      What Berman et alia forgot is that most fans still have
      working brains. We look for story, plot,
      characterization, highs, lows, etc in our entertainment.
      We just happen to like it in an SF-styled wrapper. When
      we don’t see it, we look elsewhere. He has managed to
      train us to to wait a long time between first episode and
      first delivery of the real goods, but eventually we get
      tired and wander off.

      Its like Dr Doolittle’s Pushme-Pullyou. The writers want
      to take the show somewhere, but the fans have to want to
      go there. If not, the show sputters and dies. I hate to
      say it, but other great cancelled shows Firefly and
      Brimstone, for example, and not so great ones, like
      Crusade and Millenium, have the same problem. “Can’t find
      an audience” can have a lot of sources.

      But I still join in the cursing of Berman.

      • radu_floricica says:

        Re: Idiots!

        It’s not about ‘franchise fatigue’, it’s about taking an
        amazing concept and wrecking it. That’s what the fans
        don’t like! Gods, man, go poke around the blogosphere and
        bit and see what the fans are saying!

        It isn’t that simple. There will always be fans that
        worship anything with a Trek logo or chest badge on it.

        What Berman et alia forgot is that most fans still have
        working brains. We look for story, plot,
        characterization, highs, lows, etc in our entertainment.
        We just happen to like it in an SF-styled wrapper. When
        we don’t see it, we look elsewhere. He has managed to
        train us to to wait a long time between first episode and
        first delivery of the real goods, but eventually we get
        tired and wander off.

        Its like Dr Doolittle’s Pushme-Pullyou. The writers want
        to take the show somewhere, but the fans have to want to
        go there. If not, the show sputters and dies. I hate to
        say it, but other great cancelled shows Firefly and
        Brimstone, for example, and not so great ones, like
        Crusade and Millenium, have the same problem. “Can’t find
        an audience” can have a lot of sources.

        But I still join in the cursing of Berman.

        Can’t find an audience makes me wish for a way in which we could pay directly for really good shows. Other then just buying the dvd’s, because first they’re a bit expensive for day to day watching and second they’re only out after a show has been on tv and too late to keep it from beeng canceled. What i’d like is something like a subscription for a show… heh at 1 buck an episode it would actually be around the price for dvds and affordable enough even for several good shows at once.

  4. bombadil says:

    Berman’s problem right here…
    Berman inadvertantly reveals his problem:

    viewer apathy or franchise fatigue or any of the cute little titles that people have come up with

    Those people are desperate to be your fans. Those ‘cute little titles’ dismiss their hatred of the crap you are shovelling out under their favorite franchise’s name.

    I think you can just squeeze so many eggs out of the old golden goose.

    Oh. I see. Instead of viewing Star Trek as a rich backdrop to write great new entertainment against, you view it as a golden goose you can just squeeze for easy money. That explains a lot.

  5. AceCaseOR says:

    Oh, he makes me so mad!
    Okay, we need to take up a collection. If we can’t keep Enterprise on the air, we need to make B&B an offer… they can’t refuse.

    • pdavis says:

      Re: Oh, he makes me so mad!
      Get a rope.

      • stevetro says:

        Re: Oh, he makes me so mad!

        Get a rope.

        How about some “cement goloshes”?

      • AceCaseOR says:

        Re: Oh, he makes me so mad!

        Get a rope.

        Okay. Also, do either of them own a horse? Oh, and someone draft a contract saying that they will stop having anything to do with Star Trek. And then get a gun.

    • SciFiMan says:

      Re: Oh, he makes me so mad!

      Okay, we need to take up a collection. If we can’t keep Enterprise on the air, we need to make B&B an offer… they can’t refuse.

      Put em in a tank with the aquatic Xinti they showed us. That way they’ll (ahem) sleep wit da fishes.

  6. shayward says:

    Good Front
    You’ve gotta wonder if Berman really, honestly believe that or if he’s just saying the typical thing. Like when your wife asks you why you didn’t mow the lawn and you say, "I really didn’t think it looked that bad."

    In reality, he must know that he totally alienated Trek fans. There must be some people under him that were keeping tabs on the blogs and news groups.

    Probably he was just too dumb to know how to make it work right and too high and mighty to turn over the job to someone better until it was too late. And then Manny was probably just his fall-guy.

    • Philo says:

      Re: Good Front

      You’ve gotta wonder if Berman really, honestly believe that or if he’s just saying the typical thing. Like when your wife asks you why you didn’t mow the lawn and you say, “I really didn’t think it looked that bad.”

      In reality, he must know that he totally alienated Trek fans. There must be some people under him that were keeping tabs on the blogs and news groups.

      Probably he was just too dumb to know how to make it work right and too high and mighty to turn over the job to someone better until it was too late. And then Manny was probably just his fall-guy.

      I think you`re completely right.

      I work in videogames, and it’s exactly the same. Trust me, we keep an eye on blogs, websites, reviews, etc. Oh hell yes. But when it comes time to give the ‘party line’ in official interviews, we end up with selective memories and skewed justifications.

      I think it’s the same here. He HAS to know he fucked up… He’s just not gonna say so on the air. It’s just not to his benefit… Maybe when he comes up with a new series, THEN he can start saying that they fixed everything that was wrong before.

      Hey, remember all that Enterprise was supposed to fix about Trek? They started mentioning things that needed to fix ONLY when it was time to pimp the new series.

      • jayhawk88 says:

        Re: Good Front

        He HAS to know he fucked up… He’s just not gonna say so on the air.

        I don’t know, it’s not like Berman fucking up Trek is a new thing. Fans have been bitching about the guy since the latter days of Next Generation.

      • Nightwanderer says:

        Re: Good Front

        I think it’s the same here. He HAS to know he fucked up…
        He’s just not gonna say so on the air. It’s just not to
        his benefit… Maybe when he comes up with a new series,
        THEN he can start saying that they fixed everything that
        was wrong before.

        Remember, this is Hollywood. No one EVER fucks up in the
        first person, such as “I fucked up”. It is always in the
        third person, “They fucked up by
        replacing/firing/cancelling me”, “my predecessor fucked up
        by shovelling crap at the audience”, “the audience fucked
        up by not understanding what we were doing”.

        Ego? Never heard of him. Is he that new guy from
        Romania?

  7. quantaman says:

    Oh Well…
    I am not only very proud of the shows that we’ve done so far for the fourth season, but the shows that we’ve done that haven’t aired yet are undoubtedly some of the best shows that we’ve produced.

    I guess that means we can write off the rest of the fourth season!!

  8. babasyzygy says:

    Franchise Fatigue?
    Oh, yeah, right. Franchises can only go for so long.

    That explains why the James Bond and Star Wars movies are complete box
    office failures.

    • vanyel says:

      Re: Franchise Fatigue?

      Oh, yeah, right. Franchises can only go for so long.

      That explains why the James Bond and Star Wars movies are complete box
      office failures.

      To be fair, there are only 5 SW movies, soon to be 6. And James Bond hasn’t had 5 series running for some 25-30 seasons worth total. I don’t think there’s *anything* in the media that has been milked like Star Trek. Though I still think the main problem is that the golden goose handed it over to the brass monkey.

      • babasyzygy says:

        Re: Franchise Fatigue?

        I don’t think there’s *anything* in the media that has been milked like Star
        Trek.

        Well going by money (ie, merchandizing, licensing, etc), I think Star Wars
        has.

        Going by hours produced, Doctor Who definitely has: it leaves Star
        Trek in
        the dust (before you even consider the audio versions). And it
        never pandered the way B&B Star Trek has pandered.

        Well, unless
        you want
        to count Leela or that godawful made-for-US-TV movie.

        • Grounded says:

          Re: Franchise Fatigue?

          I don’t think there’s *anything* in the media that has been milked like Star
          Trek.

          Well going by money (ie, merchandizing, licensing, etc), I think Star Wars
          has.

          Going by hours produced, Doctor Who definitely has: it leaves Star
          Trek in
          the dust (before you even consider the audio versions). And it
          never pandered the way B&B Star Trek has pandered.

          Well, unless
          you want
          to count Leela or that godawful made-for-US-TV movie.

          Doctor Who has more hours produced that all Star Trek series combined? Are you sure?

          • GrimSean says:

            Re: Franchise Fatigue?

            Doctor Who has more hours produced that all Star Trek series combined? Are you sure?

            Dr. Who has been around forever – he’s a Time Lord, after all. There are over 600 episodes and at least two made-for-tv movies – IMDB lists it at 679 episodes of 25 minutes each, but I’m pretty sure that most of the episodes are longer than that (plus there are a number that have been lost over the years).

            The best years of the show would be 1974 through 1981, and though I’m really looking forward to the new series it’s just not the same without Tom Baker.

          • babasyzygy says:

            Re: Franchise Fatigue?

            Doctor Who has more hours produced that all Star Trek series combined? Are
            you sure?

            Yes, I’m sure. For starters, they made one American made-for-TV movie and
            at least 2
            theatrical
            movies.

            But the meat was TV: TV Tome lists 27 seasons of Doctor Who – it took a break
            after 1989 (the 26th season),
            for political reasons within the BBC. But it’s coming back this year….

            And if that wasn’t enough, there are 58 (so far) official licensed
            Doctor Who audio
            adventures
            , each taking up two CDs
            and starring the same actors as the TV show did. And on top of
            that, they also have some spinoffs, centering on the Dalek empire.

            When the BBC did a documentary on the making of Doctor Who, the
            documentary itself ran 13 episodes.

            Franchise fatigue, my ass. It’s a poor workman who blames his tools.

            • Grounded says:

              Re: Franchise Fatigue?

              Doctor Who has more hours produced that all Star Trek series combined? Are
              you sure?

              Yes, I’m sure. For starters, they made one American made-for-TV movie and
              at least 2
              theatrical
              movies.

              But the meat was TV: TV Tome lists 27 seasons of Doctor Who – it took a break
              after 1989 (the 26th season),
              for political reasons within the BBC. But it’s coming back this year….

              And if that wasn’t enough, there are 58 (so far) official licensed
              Doctor Who audio
              adventures
              , each taking up two CDs
              and starring the same actors as the TV show did. And on top of
              that, they also have some spinoffs, centering on the Dalek empire.

              When the BBC did a documentary on the making of Doctor Who, the
              documentary itself ran 13 episodes.

              Franchise fatigue, my ass. It’s a poor workman who blames his tools.

              TVTome also lists those 27 seasons as being comprised of only 173 episodes…

              Of course I do agree that it’s nothing to do with franchise fatigue.

              • LordJavac says:

                Re: Franchise Fatigue?

                Doctor Who has more hours produced that all Star Trek series combined? Are
                you sure?

                Yes, I’m sure. For starters, they made one American made-for-TV movie and
                at least 2
                theatrical
                movies.

                But the meat was TV: TV Tome lists 27 seasons of Doctor Who – it took a break
                after 1989 (the 26th season),
                for political reasons within the BBC. But it’s coming back this year….

                And if that wasn’t enough, there are 58 (so far) official licensed
                Doctor Who audio
                adventures
                , each taking up two CDs
                and starring the same actors as the TV show did. And on top of
                that, they also have some spinoffs, centering on the Dalek empire.

                When the BBC did a documentary on the making of Doctor Who, the
                documentary itself ran 13 episodes.

                Franchise fatigue, my ass. It’s a poor workman who blames his tools.

                TVTome also lists those 27 seasons as being comprised of only 173
                episodes…

                Of course I do agree that it’s nothing to do with franchise fatigue.

                That figure is somewhat misleading as it’s counting the number of stories,
                not actual episodes. Each Doctor Who story was usually 4 episodes in length
                (some were 6, and there were even a couple of seasons that were essentially
                single stories, see “Key to TIme” and “Trial of a Timelord”).

              • KILNA says:

                Re: Franchise Fatigue?

                And while we’re picking nits…

                TOS 3 seasons, TNG 7 seasons, DS9 7 seasons, VOY 7 seasons, ENT 4 seasons. That’s 28 seasons of around 20 or more one-hour shows, plus 10 feature films, and countless books, games, and other media. I don’t see any Dr. Who themed attractions in Vegas. I’d have to say as far as genre cash cows go, Trek has to be the most milked by far.

                As an aside… I find it apt that Berman would use the golden goose analogy. As you may recall, the fable was of a farmer who had a goose that started laying eggs of solid gold daily… after a time the goose stopped producing for a while. Out of impatience and greed, the farmer killed and opened up the goose only to find no gold and not even a chance of it in the future now that the goose was gone. B&B’s quest for short-term-gains (T&A, bubblegum plots) over long-term storytelling has thoroughly killed Trek.

                • babasyzygy says:

                  Re: Franchise Fatigue?

                  I’d have to say as far as genre cash cows go, Trek has to be the most milked
                  by far.

                  More than Star Wars? I don’t think so, if you count purely on the basis of
                  licensing and merchandising cash.

                  Which was my point: by money, Star Wars has been more exploited. By hours
                  of video produced, Dr. Who has had more. Sure, if you’re going by Vegas
                  theme attractions, Star Trek has more – but a Vegas theme attraction isn’t
                  why people are getting tired of Star Trek, most people don’t even know it
                  exists.

              • babasyzygy says:

                Re: Franchise Fatigue?

                TVTome also lists those 27 seasons as being comprised of only 173
                episodes…

                Look closer, read the descriptions. Each of those “episodes” is not an
                episode, it’s a story – typically made up of 4-8 half-hour parts.

  9. davatar2 says:

    nemesis
    Yeah the problem with nemesis is they just drained their cash cow.

    It couldn’t be that it SUCKED… HARDCORE..

    Just another suit trying to get his.

    • y42 says:

      Re: nemesis

      Yeah the problem with nemesis is they just drained their cash cow.

      It couldn’t be that it SUCKED… HARDCORE..

      Just another suit trying to get his.

      It didn’t suck THAT much. It would have made a half-decent two parter episode.

      … ok, yeah, it sucked.

      A car chase, with space-dune-buggys, for crying out loud!

      • white.roses says:

        Re: nemesis

        A car chase, with space-dune-buggys, for crying out loud!

        You know, I saw Nemesis (in the hopes that a Romulan-based plot would be cool – nope, not Romulans, Remans, oh, right, yeah . . . ), and while I have no doubts that the space-dune-buggy chase is in there, I have no recollection of it. None. I don’t recall what plot twist landed them in the chase, nor how they got out of it. It’s a blank! Some sort of repressed memory I suppose. I know I watched the film, but then, inexplicably, I’m in Disneyland for 20 minutes, then, I’m watching the film again. Well, no, not really, but seriously, I don’t remember it at all.

        • edo says:

          Re: nemesis

          You know, I saw Nemesis (in the hopes that a Romulan-based plot would be cool – nope, not Romulans, Remans, oh, right, yeah . . . ), and while I have no doubts that the space-dune-buggy chase is in there, I have no recollection of it.

          The only good point of the movie: the space external SFX scenes were fantastic. I wish that’s all I remember about it :)

          • grundil says:

            Re: nemesis

            You know, I saw Nemesis (in the hopes that a Romulan-based plot would be cool – nope, not Romulans, Remans, oh, right, yeah . . . ), and while I have no doubts that the space-dune-buggy chase is in there, I have no recollection of it.

            Of course, they just hah to have an appearance by the space nosferatu in last nights Enterprise too :( *sigh*

            • y42 says:

              Re: nemesis

              You know, I saw Nemesis (in the hopes that a Romulan-based plot would be cool – nope, not Romulans, Remans, oh, right, yeah . . . ), and while I have no doubts that the space-dune-buggy chase is in there, I have no recollection of it.

              Of course, they just hah to have an appearance by the space nosferatu in last nights Enterprise too :( *sigh*

              Well, it’s such a brilliant idea, he HAS to overexploit it! Come on! Vampires… from SPACE! It’s gold, man!

              • LordJavac says:

                Re: nemesis

                You know, I saw Nemesis (in the hopes that a Romulan-based plot would be
                cool – nope, not Romulans, Remans, oh, right, yeah . . . ), and while I have no
                doubts that the space-dune-buggy chase is in there, I have no recollection of
                it.

                Of course, they just hah to have an appearance by the space nosferatu in last
                nights Enterprise too :( *sigh*

                Well, it’s such a brilliant idea, he HAS to overexploit it! Come on! Vampires…
                from SPACE! It’s gold, man!

                Since they were introduced in Nemesis, this helps give them some weight as
                it shows that they’ve been there all along. Yes, they were always a bad idea,
                but I admire the attempt to apply the to continuity. They were only there as a
                nod to Nemesis, and to help legitimize their later presence. The thing I didn’t
                appreciate was the introduction of, yet another new species.

                • y42 says:

                  Re: nemesis

                  You know, I saw Nemesis (in the hopes that a Romulan-based plot would be
                  cool – nope, not Romulans, Remans, oh, right, yeah . . . ), and while I have no
                  doubts that the space-dune-buggy chase is in there, I have no recollection of
                  it.

                  Of course, they just hah to have an appearance by the space nosferatu in last
                  nights Enterprise too :( *sigh*

                  Well, it’s such a brilliant idea, he HAS to overexploit it! Come on! Vampires…
                  from SPACE! It’s gold, man!

                  Since they were introduced in Nemesis, this helps give them some weight as
                  it shows that they’ve been there all along. Yes, they were always a bad idea,
                  but I admire the attempt to apply the to continuity.

                  It’s not continuity, it’s just a retcon. “They were there all along, I swear”

  10. GSVNofixedabode says:

    In a perfect world…
    THe fan pressure that got the first shuttle named ENTERPRISE would have ensured that B&B would not have been let anywhere NEAR this future history; GR’s vision would have continued; and Captain Sulu would still be at the helm!

  11. is says:

    he’s an idiot
    nuph said

  12. scharkalvin says:

    SciFi channel
    Will the SciFi channel pick up Enterprise (or the right to a new ‘trek’ show) as they did SGSG1? Hopefully without B&B! SF did a good job of continuing SGSG1 after showtime dropped it. If there is any chance for Enterprise, (or a new trek show) I think it will only be with SF. I wonder if there is any talk with Paramount in that direction?

    • y42 says:

      Re: SciFi channel

      Will the SciFi channel pick up Enterprise (or the right to a new ‘trek’ show) as they did SGSG1? Hopefully without B&B!

      No. That will never happen.

    • KILNA says:

      Re: SciFi channel

      Will the SciFi channel pick up Enterprise (or the right to a new ‘trek’ show) as they did SGSG1? Hopefully without B&B! SF did a good job of continuing SGSG1 after showtime dropped it. If there is any chance for Enterprise, (or a new trek show) I think it will only be with SF. I wonder if there is any talk with Paramount in that direction?

      Paramount who owns Star Trek, owns UPN, there’s no reason they’d give it to anyone if they thought it had a snowball’s chance in hell of success. Even if they thought it was a completely lost cause, and someone was chomping at the bit to take it over for wads of cash, I can’t see any business reason they’d do it. Sorry, Charlie. :)

  13. Captian Tapol says:

    Enterprise Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I Thought Enterprise was stupid at first. How ever at this time I fell it it Totaly Awsome!! They are doing a great job on it. And cancelling it would be stupid ..

    I was hooked after the 3 rd show!

    Long Live Enterprise..

    Gee DS9 was shit and that lived !

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