22 replies on “Enterprise Is Dead, Jim”

  1. Babbster says:

    Translation?
    “We need to stop the bleeding before we lose ALL the Star Trek fans.”

    • J_W_W says:

      Re: Translation?

      “We need to stop the bleeding before we lose ALL the Star Trek fans.”

      Ooops, too late.

  2. Damien says:

    Ding dong!
    Ding dong, the witch is dead!

    Damien

  3. y42 says:

    Dear desperate Trekkies
    We do not now, nor have we ever cared about your opinion.
    -Sincerly
    Paramount

  4. HIM says:

    There’s still New Frontier
    All I have left to look foward to now in terms of ST is Peter Davids next NF which are excellent. Maybe they’ll turn his books into a mini series. It would have potential.

    • Babbster says:

      Re: There’s still New Frontier

      All I have left to look foward to now in terms of ST is Peter Davids next NF which are excellent. Maybe they’ll turn his books into a mini series. It would have potential.

      I haven’t read any of PAD’s books, but I would recommend the books I’ve read in the DS9 “eighth season” continuity. I haven’t read them all, but I thought Avatar (two books), Mission Gamma (four books) and Unity (the latest – currently in hardcover) were very good and made for a logical progression of the story. There are several more books that fit into the post-DS9 mold. You can take a look here for a pretty in-depth listing of the post-7 DS9 stuff. But anyone who enjoyed DS9 can drop right into Avatar and continue through Mission Gamma and Unity for the “big” events. Rising Son is on my upcoming reading list as well. It is the story of what happens to Jake Sisko at the time of the events portrayed in Mission Gamma. The one problem is that the biggest thing to come out of Rising Son is revealed in the last book of Mission Gamma and explored in Unity, so if you’re a stickler for reading in order and not having plot points spoiled, read Rising Son sometime after Avatar Book Two and before [the last few pages of] Mission Gamma Book Four.

      ANYway (I hate when I ramble), the books can indeed be good stuff. For the more discerning reader, though, it’s important to pick and choose as some of the ST books I’ve read have barely been worthy of an episode in terms of writing. :)

      • Trekkie says:

        Re: There’s still New Frontier
        As a person who uses the name Trekkie all over the online-verse I would
        whole-heartedly second both the New Frontier and the extended DS9
        universe. If you’re just in the mood for some ‘good’ trek these are great
        series to read.

        The Peter David stuff can be laugh out loud funny and has gotten me weird
        looks on airplanes when I burst out laughing. I’d have to go find the books to
        figure out which one but there was one sequence of events that I had to close
        the book and just laugh for like 5 min and when I’d think about it I’d start
        laughing even more. I either ‘get’ Peter David’s humor extremely well or he’s
        one damn funny guy some times.

        In the TNG books he wrote the ‘Q-In-Law’ that had a similar effect on me as
        well. He just had Luxwanna pissed off with Q-powers nailed, and described it
        using the english word so well I had it envisioned & was laughing just reading
        it.

  5. Eldhrin says:

    Hurrah!!
    Good on you, Paramount. Now can you just admit that you had to cancel Enterprise because you screwed it up big time?

    • is says:

      Re: Hurrah!!

      Good on you, Paramount. Now can you just admit that you had to cancel Enterprise because you screwed it up big time?

      It’ll never happen. Paramount is in CYA mode and so are B&B. the whole lot needs to be fired and some intelligent people hired to replace them.

  6. shayward says:

    Such Potential
    Enterprise is dead. It was great this season – thanks Manny Coto – but B&B screwed it SO badly that viewership did not come back. No amount of fan money can change that fact.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Paramount could make 6 Enterprise episodes worth of product into 3 movies with the writing of the Reaves-Stevens couple and the producing of Manny Coto. Keep the same cast, keep Shran and Sovol, and do the Romulan War.

    But it’s dead. At least I have the new Doctor Who, which I’m enjoying very much. Goes to show that fans don’t need sex, explosions, and major special effects to enjoy a show.

  7. TechnoGirl says:

    Whay Braga Said When He HEard The News….
    “Damnit, I’m a coke addict – not a screenwriter!”

  8. scharkalvin says:

    Maybe Star Trek isn’t quite dead …
    To quote from the letter:
    “We are grateful for the fans’ rich history of unwavering enthusiasm for all things Trek, and we hope they’ll join us in looking forward to the next chapter of this enduring series in the future.”

    So there MAY be another Star Trek series in the future, but
    Enterprise is finished. Dr. Who has gone on Hiatis several times before and come back, and indeed, Star Trek did once also. So maybe in a few years (when B&B are doing something OTHER than TV) Paramont will be presented with a good Star Trek series script treatment that they won’t be able to refuse. (And it seems we WILL have at least one more motion picture in the future as well).

    • vanyel says:

      Re: Maybe Star Trek isn’t quite dead …
      If last night’s episode, and even more so next week’s if the preview is any guide, it’s not only dead, they’re staking it through the heart so it will never rise from the dead again. I don’t think they have an original thought left in them. tvtome.com says Manny wrote it, so I guess Paramount higher ups have gotten to him.

      Hmmm. Looking at the next episode at tvtome, it says it’s entirely a mirror universe episode, with no interaction with “our” universe, in which case I may take that back. I was going to delete it from my tivo “todo list”, but I’ll at least give it a chance…

  9. choochus says:

    Small Glimmer of Hope?

    This passage is interesting: “We can not and will not be able to accept funds from viewers to produce Star Trek: Enterprise or any other series.” (emphasis mine)

    I recently heard Tim Brazeal (the guy who started Save Enterprise and Trek United) on the Slice of SciFi podcast and he said that because of conversations with Paramount that SE has recently incorporated.

    From the conversations, they told him that they cannot take money from “fans”… but money from another corporate entity would simply be sponsorship and legal.

    I know that in this new letter Paramount said the decision is “final”, so that’s probably it for Trek for the next few years, but I thought this might mean there was a small glimpse of hope.

  10. reaper2k says:

    I’ve Heard of This

    It’s called grasping at straws. Let it go folks. With the amount of money and manpower fans spent trying to save the dying series, something worthwhile could have been achieved. Television studios don’t care about viewers. They only care about advertisers. Check out this post on the subject:

    http://www.filmguru.net/filmlog/2005/filmlog050216.html

    –Reaper2K

  11. Drew1Down says:

    The Truth…….i told you so!
    do yuo really think they would NOT give a hint to a new series? startrek.com would never admit they were wrong, or that the show sucked, or that berman is a softcore porn producer, (in refrence to all the half naked sceans of blalok)or that paramount is a money whoring company, or that B&B care at ALL about the fans, but to line there own pockets with gold pressed latium.

    Everyone was jumping for joy when enterprise came out, i was crying, i gave this series a chance, and i still watch it, its like a train wreck and TRUE star trek fans know this.

    I would love to see NF a new star trek series, but guess who would be at the helm, RICK “MOTHER FUCKER” BERMAN, so right away you would have action packed story-less plots that go nowhere for 4 seasons (or contract lenght) to just be shuned by really star trek fans and adored by geeks and “new come’ers”

    Rick berman is a cancer of star trek, get Michael Piller (DS9) to do it, DS9 was great when he was at the helm. but keep the dumb fucks away.

    1. Rick Berman (hitler) -feeds off roddenberry left overs-
    2. Jery Taylor (sadam) -MADE voyager, nuf said-
    3. Brian Braga (bin-ladin) -the “yes” man-

  12. Drew1Down says:

    Gay Trek!
    this is funny (because they are ignorent), it talks about how women were treated badly in star trek and how there were never any gay refrences.

    I love sites like these who only bitch but have no facts to back up there clames, so they make stuff up.

    http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/trek.html

    • vanyel says:

      Re: Gay Trek!

      this is funny (because they are ignorent), it talks about how women were treated badly in star trek and how there were never any gay refrences.

      There may have been some “gay references”, but that’s as much as it ever was, and only just barely. The closest they came to having anything signicant about the issue was the episode in which Riker fell for the androgynous character in a society where choosing a gender was considered the way homosexuality often is in real life. They never had any actual gay characters. So much for a view of a happy future.

      • y42 says:

        Re: Gay Trek!

        They never had any actual gay characters. So much for a view of a happy future.

        Why are gay people required in a happy future?

        Maybe it was just a phase humanity was going through ;-)

    • GrimSean says:

      Re: Gay Trek!

      this is funny (because they are ignorent), it talks about how women were treated badly in star trek and how there were never any gay refrences.

      I love sites like these who only bitch but have no facts to back up there clames, so they make stuff up.

      http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/trek.html

      I’m breaking a promise to myself on this, but I have to ask…

      Since I’ve only given the site a cursory glance I may be missing something (it is 2am for me and I’ve put in a full day), but would you please clarify on how, exactly, they’re ‘ignorent’ as you so ironically put it? Also, what are they making up? From what I’ve gathered they seem to be critiquing Trek from a Queer angle, and finding it sorely lacking – which is probably the same conclusion I would reach were I to approach it from that body of theory.

      • is says:

        Re: Gay Trek!

        this is funny (because they are ignorent), it talks about how women were treated badly in star trek and how there were never any gay refrences.

        I love sites like these who only bitch but have no facts to back up there clames, so they make stuff up.

        http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/trek.html

        I’m breaking a promise to myself on this, but I have to ask…

        Since I’ve only given the site a cursory glance I may be missing something (it is 2am for me and I’ve put in a full day), but would you please clarify on how, exactly, they’re ‘ignorent’ as you so ironically put it? Also, what are they making up? From what I’ve gathered they seem to be critiquing Trek from a Queer angle, and finding it sorely lacking – which is probably the same conclusion I would reach were I to approach it from that body of theory.

        Question is… why the hell does society think that every tv show have to represent every minority and ethnic group in order to be considered “fair”. It’s a bit ridiculous and it shows that people care more about the image than truth or substance.

        • Timeshredder says:

          Re: Gay Trek!

          Question is… why the hell does society think that every tv show have to represent every minority and ethnic group in order to be considered “fair”. It’s a bit ridiculous and it shows that people care more about the image than truth or substance.

          A show does not have to represent every group. However, TOS prided itself in being ahead of its time, for American television, in including non-white characters and putting women in positions of authority (sort of). It’s fair to say that later versions of Trek did not progress much further than the original. The show is especially open to this criticism since it supposedly depicts a transnational Terran society of the future that also works with and embraces a wide range of alien cultures. It’s not unfair to mention such things, so long as they do not become the only aspect of the show that fans discuss.

          As to the original post, I fail to see unintended humour and ignorance in the site, nor did I notice the sitemaster made much of anything up about the show.

          At least he proofread his stuff.

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