Battlestar Galactica review: “No Exit”

The show insisted that the Cylons “have a plan.” Someone here once suggested that the Cylons haven’t revealed the details of that plan to the writers of the show. In this episode, we finally get (presumably) the history of the BSG ‘verse, and an overview of the Cylon plans.

Title: “No Exit”

Cast and Crew

Written by Ryan Mottsheard
Directed by Gwyneth Horder-Payton

Edward James Olmos as Admiral Adama

Mary McDonnell as Laura Roslin
Katee Sackhoff as Kara “Starbuck” Thrace
Jamie Bamber as Lee “Apollo” Adama
Michael Hogan as Colonel Saul Tigh
Dean Stockwell as Cavil
Kate Vernon as Ellen Tigh
Grace Park as Athena/Boomer/Number 8

Michael Trucco as Samuel Anders
Tricia Helfer as Number 6
Aaron Douglas as Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol
Bodie Olmos as Brendan “Hot Dog” Costanza
Rekha Sharma as Tory Foster

John “And I’m a PC” Hodgman as the surgeon.

Premise

Through Anders, the resurrected Ellen Tigh (in the past), and Brother Cavil, we learn the truth about Cylon/human history.

High Point

I applaud Moore and company for actually making sense of Galactica‘s recent confusing history– or, at least, the part of it that has thus far been revealed.

This episode once again raises the need for humans to use Cylon technology if they want to survive. Welcome to our probable future: Resistance is futile. We will be assimilated.

Low Points

While I really liked getting an explanation for the Galatica-verse’s history, it involved a significant amount of direct exposition. The theological parallels also became a little heavy-handed. However, it all fits together, and the actors kept these elements from becoming overly tedious or completely excessive.

The Scores:

Originality: 3/6.

Effects: 6/6. As always, this show boasts first-rate effects. I’ve never taken to the interior of the Cylon ships, but that’s a design preference, and not a problem with the execution.

Story: 4/6. Does this receive a high mark for making sense of the show’s backstory, or a low one for having a comparatively uninteresting story?

Acting: 6/6.

Emotional Response: 5/6. Galatica has characters in whom I can believe.

Production: 6/6.

Overall: 5/6.

In total “No Exit” receives 35/42

Notes

Assuming everyone is telling the truth in this episode, history happened something like this:

The thirteen colonies spread out from Kobol, with the lost thirteenth colony being earth. At some point in our near future, we develop Cylons. They become slaves. This leads to war and the devastation of the planet. The “Final Five” head back to the original colonies to warn them that artificial intelligence, misused, will rebel, with dire consequences, because apparently humans need to be reminded that slavery has a way of eventually biting the slave-owners in the ass. While Terran future tech is more advanced in the field of artificial beings, we never discovered FTL. Consequently, it took a very long time for the Five to reach the other colonies. By then, the toaster-variety Cylons already existed in the twelve colonies, and war was on.

The Five contacted the Cylons and promised to help them out if they end the war. The Five developed the skin-job Cylons we have known since the start of the series. Cavil, however, led a Lucifer-like rebellion, in part because he disliked being limited to the image of humanity, when he could have been so much more. He boxed the original Five, and then reintroduced them to the colonies with false personalities (rather like Boomer’s) as a means of showing them the truth about humanity.

When Ellen died, she resurrected aboard a nearby ship, with her original memories intact.

All this has happened before and will happen again.

We still don’t know why or how Starbuck returned.

Does that sound about right? Did I miss anything?

38 replies on “Battlestar Galactica review: “No Exit””

  1. J_W_W says:

    Timeline
    I’m a little bothered by this episode because the timeline, especially with respect to Earth, seems completely wrong.

    If the colonies were founded 3,000 years ago, including Earth, then human culture is only 3,000 years old. We have direct archeological evidence that there were complex human societies 4,000 – 5,000 years ago and evidence of simple human societies back 10,000 – 20,000 years.

    In the galactica verse humanity is 3,000 years old, assuming colonization times were equal for us and them, it just doesn’t fit, even with the relativistic trick of the final five’s travel. In fact it makes it worse.

    Therefore our Earth just can’t be the earth they found or their backstory doesn’t make temporal sense.

    Perhaps every time this happens again the 13th colony is _always_ called Earth. However it doesn’t always happen the same. Earth didn’t create any colonies (that we know of anyway).

    Also, apparently the plan was to wipe out humanity and try and establish cylon reproduction. Within the first 3 episodes of the show we already knew ALL of that. There apparently is nothing more to "the plan."

    Don’t get me wrong I love the explanation of the five and how they came to be who they are and what they are, but in this ep. I think the writers admitted that the cylons never told them.

    • Timeshredder says:

      Re: Timeline

      Also, apparently the plan was to wipe out humanity and try and establish cylon reproduction. Within the first 3 episodes of the show we already knew ALL of that. There apparently is nothing more to "the plan."

      Don’t get me wrong I love the explanation of the five and how they came to be who they are and what they are, but in this ep. I think the writers admitted that the cylons never told them.

      That’s why I mentioned the Cylon planS. We have the "Cylon reproduction plan," but then we also have the Five’s plans and Cavil’s plan, which have been a secret from us until now. Whether or not the writers had these in mind from the start is another matter.

      Yeah, I had the thought, when this season began, that all Earth humans in the end were Cylons. That doesn’t quite gel with the explanation given here, but it could still be the case.

      Of course, we really cannot assume at this point that all the information we’ve heard is correct.

    • Daemonik says:

      Re: Timeline

      I’m a little bothered by this episode because the timeline, especially with respect to Earth, seems completely wrong.

      If the colonies were founded 3,000 years ago, including Earth, then human culture is only 3,000 years old. We have direct archeological evidence that there were complex human societies 4,000 – 5,000 years ago and evidence of simple human societies back 10,000 – 20,000 years.

      In the galactica verse humanity is 3,000 years old, assuming colonization times were equal for us and them, it just doesn’t fit, even with the relativistic trick of the final five’s travel. In fact it makes it worse.

      No, you’re wrong here. The society present since the 13 colonies were founded are 3000 years old, yes. We have never, however, been told of how old the civilization on Kobol was when they decided to leave the planet, which, as far as we know is the birthplace of humanity.

      Heck, for all we know Kobol was a colony world from an even older civilization and the "gods" could have been cylons who led the humans there. Which would tie neatly into the "this has happened before and will happen again" mythos.

    • jesusX says:

      Re: Timeline

      I’m a little bothered by this episode because the timeline, especially with respect to Earth, seems completely wrong.

      Liberal snippage here. Basically, what you said assumes that the show doesn’t take place 40,000 years into the future, for example. We have no evidence to support any interpretation of when the events we’re witnessing occur.

      In the galactica verse humanity is 3,000 years old

      I don’t know where you got this, but you didn’t get it from anything in the show. Yes, it has been stated in the book of Pythia that the Lords of Kobol created humanity, but we have no reason to believe that the Lord of Kobol weren’t advanced humans that came from an earlier Earth exodus.

      In fact, we have reason to think that very well may be true, as that fits into the theory "this has all happened before". We start from Earth, turn it into a cinder, fly off and found a new colony. From there we decide to go make more colonies, say, 13 of them, and we’ll name one Earth after our original home. Lather, rinse, repeat.

      Perhaps every time this happens again the 13th colony is _always_ called Earth. However it doesn’t always happen the same. Earth didn’t create any colonies (that we know of anyway).

      It very well could be the same one. The radiation levels decrease after ten thousand years to habitable levels, etc.

      There apparently is nothing more to "the plan."

      You forget "justice", or more accurately, revenge.

      • J_W_W says:

        Re: Timeline

        Basically, what you said assumes that the show doesn’t take place 40,000 years into the future, for example. We have no evidence to support any interpretation of when the events we’re witnessing occur.

        True, but the timelines aren’t just a little off they’re wayyy off.

        In the galactica verse humanity is 3,000 years old

        I don’t know where you got this, but you didn’t get it from anything in the show. Yes, it has been stated in the book of Pythia that the Lords of Kobol created humanity, but we have no reason to believe that the Lord of Kobol weren’t advanced humans that came from an earlier Earth exodus.

        In fact, we have reason to think that very well may be true, as that fits into the theory "this has all happened before". We start from Earth, turn it into a cinder, fly off and found a new colony. From there we decide to go make more colonies, say, 13 of them, and we’ll name one Earth after our original home. Lather, rinse, repeat.

        Its been stated that the exodus from Kobol was 3,000 years ago. Its stated by Ellen in this episode. Additionally, its stated by Anders that Earth has no FTL (now they could have lost it). I just don’t think the Earth shown can reasonably be considered _our_ Earth. It just doesn’t fit.

        Perhaps every time this happens again the 13th colony is _always_ called Earth. However it doesn’t always happen the same. Earth didn’t create any colonies (that we know of anyway).

        It very well could be the same one. The radiation levels decrease after ten thousand years to habitable levels, etc.

        Ummm, not sure what you’re getting at here.

        There apparently is nothing more to "the plan."

        You forget "justice", or more accurately, revenge.

        Justice and revenge isn’t much of a plan. They got their revenge in the Pilot. For the plant to be mentioned in the credits for as long as it was, it should be more than just "get justice" IMHO.

        • jesusX says:

          Re: Timeline

          True, but the timelines aren’t just a little off they’re wayyy off.

          Like I said, thy’re only off if you consider BSG to be happening anytime in the very near future.

          Its been stated that the exodus from Kobol was 3,000 years ago. Its stated by Ellen in this episode.

          Yes, the Exodus from Kobol, NOT the start of civilization.

          Additionally, its stated by Anders that Earth has no FTL (now they could have lost it). I just don’t think the Earth shown can reasonably be considered _our_ Earth. It just doesn’t fit.

          As I’ve said, it fits fine if you realize that nothing we’ve seen forces BSG to be in our immediate future. It’s trivial to think that in our future, we leave Earth, found a new colony we’ll call Kobol, in the mean time Earth is reduced to rubble in an AI holocaust. Our descendants leave Kobol and found more colonies, and one comes back here and finds a shattered Earth, and rebuilds it. Then there’s another AI holocaust, the 5 leave Earth, go to the colonies, etc.

          Justice and revenge isn’t much of a plan. They got their revenge in the Pilot. For the plant to be mentioned in the credits for as long as it was, it should be more than just "get justice" IMHO.

          Which is why there’s still 5 eps left, and a movie called The Plan.

  2. Foeclan says:

    13th colony
    I had the impression that the 13th colony wasn’t human in the first place, not that they were humans who created cylons. Someone said something about resurrection having existed as far back as Kobol, so I took it to be ‘the 12 colonies of humans went one way, the 1 colony of cylons went another’.

    Maybe the humans even looked back at old plans to come up with their recent cylons (which would explain why their centurions looked similar to those they found on Earth). It’s unclear whether they would’ve been human-form when they left Kobol or if they came up with that on their own later.

    • Alexius says:

      Re: 13th colony
      That’s how I took it, too.

      It also explains the rouge Cylon group that we saw during the Adama webisodes. They’re refugees and such from the original Earth-Based Cylons.

      • Daemonik says:

        Re: 13th colony

        That’s how I took it, too.

        It also explains the rouge Cylon group that we saw during the Adama webisodes. They’re refugees and such from the original Earth-Based Cylons.

        No, there were no rogue (not rouge or at least I don’t remember them being red) Cylons in the Adama webisodes. Adama just stumbled onto the secret Centurian experiments to attempt to create organic Cylons, which Ellen said was already underway when the Earth Cylon group contacted the Colonial Cylons. A project that successfully created the hybrids.

        • Alexius says:

          Re: 13th colony

          That’s how I took it, too.

          It also explains the rouge Cylon group that we saw during the Adama webisodes. They’re refugees and such from the original Earth-Based Cylons.

          No, there were no rogue (not rouge or at least I don’t remember them being red) Cylons in the Adama webisodes. Adama just stumbled onto the secret Centurian experiments to attempt to create organic Cylons, which Ellen said was already underway when the Earth Cylon group contacted the Colonial Cylons. A project that successfully created the hybrids.

          Ah, yes. Right on both counts, Cylons and colors. ;)

    • y42 says:

      Re: 13th colony

      Maybe the humans even looked back at old plans to come up with their recent cylons (which would explain why their centurions looked similar to those they found on Earth).

      That’s just part of the determinism of the "all of this has happened before" mantra, not a direct information link between them.

      The centurions, in one shape or another yet always recognizable as such, keep being invented by humans when they reach a certain technological point. Like how the jet engine was invented in different countries at about the same time… same with the telephone and the airplane. They were slightly different, but the same, independently of one another.

    • jesusX says:

      Re: 13th colony

      I had the impression that the 13th colony wasn’t human in the first place, not that they were humans who created cylons. Someone said something about resurrection having existed as far back as Kobol, so I took it to be ‘the 12 colonies of humans went one way, the 1 colony of cylons went another’.

      Agreed.

  3. Alexius says:

    Backstory
    Sounds about right, except you forgot that the writers had picked out numbers 3 and 8, and then wrote the history in such a way that made the Final Five unnumbered. Now, twelve minus those five is seven, so you have no reason for a number 8, so they added in a model 7, which was killed off before we watched all of this, because the writers didn’t really want that as part of everything, anyways.

    Or, my other speculation, that the seven whose DNA was messed with in their amniotic sacs had the gender screwed up, and that’s how we got a resurrecting Starbuck, with a easter-eggy nod to the gender of the original Starbuck. The fans eat that sort of thing up.

    • y42 says:

      Kara has a destiny

      Or, my other speculation, that the seven whose DNA was messed with in their amniotic sacs had the gender screwed up, and that’s how we got a resurrecting Starbuck, with a easter-eggy nod to the gender of the original Starbuck. The fans eat that sort of thing up.

      Starbuck isn’t a cylon: she’s the harbinger of death.

      Ship of lights, Lucifer… all good things must come to an end for the cycle to begin anew. Someone is making sure that Kara leads them all to their doom.

      • J_W_W says:

        Re: Kara has a destiny

        Or, my other speculation, that the seven whose DNA was messed with in their amniotic sacs had the gender screwed up, and that’s how we got a resurrecting Starbuck, with a easter-eggy nod to the gender of the original Starbuck. The fans eat that sort of thing up.

        Starbuck isn’t a cylon: she’s the harbinger of death.

        Ship of lights, Lucifer… all good things must come to an end for the cycle to begin anew. Someone is making sure that Kara leads them all to their doom.

        Yes, I agree with you that the Ship of Lights is still a possibility. Though I think Kara is a harbinger of doom for cylons, not necessarily humans.

      • joe__gee says:

        Re: Kara has a destiny

        Starbuck isn’t a cylon: she’s the harbinger of death.

        Ship of lights.


        First of all, that exposition was necessary, but difficult. Whew.

        If this is in our future, this "Earth", if it was ours, has been through this cycle before. If this is in our past, this happened a LONG time ago. I don’t think this relates to us or this universe, so I’ll leave that alone unless the story asks us to pick it up.

        I think Starbuck is a Cylon, or at least a being capable of resurrection. :) JWW picked up on it. I think this story is more similar to the Matrix than it seemed. I don’t think the Lords of Kobol were the first to invent Cylons, or the first to have an Earth.

        We got hints of angels in this episode. "Everyone’s glowing" wasn’t a mistake. There was quick talk of invisible companions, and Sam’s talk of imminent miraculous events.

        Who implanted the dream the 3’s experienced? Who left the disease that wiped out those base stars several seasons ago? Who resurrected Kara (and possibly Baltar?) There’s someone we haven’t met yet, and they’re much older than the Five. :)

        All Hell’s gonna break loose for the defection of Ellen and Boomer, forcing a final confrontation, that will be ended by ……..

        -Joe

        • paulm says:

          Re: Kara has a destiny

          We got hints of angels in this episode. "Everyone’s glowing" wasn’t a mistake.

          I took that as a cute joke.
          A sweet, juicy lure dangled in front of the viewer only to be yanked away with a wink and a chuckle.

      • Fozzy_Bear says:

        Re: Kara has a destiny


        Starbuck isn’t a cylon: she’s the harbinger of death.

        OR…

        She WAS the harbinger of death. She lead the humans and cylons to a dead world.

        Not everybody who has a role to play, plays it to the end of the story, and they dont’ always die as soon as the role is over.

        She may have been the harbinger of death; but she doesn’t have to be that any more. Ask Dee. She’ll tell you… oh, wait…

  4. J_W_W says:

    Agent Smithy
    Did anyone get an Agent Smith vibe from watching Cavil have his tantrum over being organic?

    I really hope that Cavil gets his wish and they download him into a centurion…

    • Kiersten says:

      Re: Agent Smithy

      Did anyone get an Agent Smith vibe from watching Cavil have his tantrum over being organic?

      I really hope that Cavil gets his wish and they download him into a centurion…

      Why HASN’T Cavil been downloaded into a robot???? I mean, HELLO! If he wants to be more robotic, why didn’t he do that long ago before the resurrection ship was destroyed?

      • jesusX says:

        Re: Agent Smithy

        Why HASN’T Cavil been downloaded into a robot???? I mean, HELLO! If he wants to be more robotic, why didn’t he do that long ago before the resurrection ship was destroyed?

        You ever tried plugging a Core 2 or Opteron CPU into a 286 motherboard? Not too easy. It’s entirely possible that the skinjob Cylons can’t be downloaded into Centurion frames. Also, we see now it’s the Five that built the resurrection abilities of the Cylons, the Cylons themselves can’t recreate it on their own. It’s possible that one COULD put Cavil or others into metal bodies, but the Cylons don’t have the same level of understanding that the Five do.

        • Kiersten says:

          Re: Agent Smithy

          You ever tried plugging a Core 2 or Opteron CPU into a 286 motherboard? Not too easy. It’s entirely possible that the skinjob Cylons can’t be downloaded into Centurion frames. Also, we see now it’s the Five that built the resurrection abilities of the Cylons, the Cylons themselves can’t recreate it on their own. It’s possible that one COULD put Cavil or others into metal bodies, but the Cylons don’t have the same level of understanding that the Five do.

          Good point.. ;)
          I hadn’t thought about it that way….

          Thanks!!
          It was really buggin me! LOL

          Kris

    • joe__gee says:

      Re: Agent Smithy

      I really hope that Cavil gets his wish and they download him into a centurion…

      I hope he gets stuck in a Roomba.

      • Fozzy_Bear says:

        Re: Agent Smithy


        I hope he gets stuck in a Roomba.

        Darn you Joe… Now, I’ve got coffee in my nose….

        and a vision of a pizzd off roomba frantically banging into every ankle it can find.

        Even with the coffee, it makes me smile….

        • joe__gee says:

          Re: Agent Smithy


          I hope he gets stuck in a Roomba.

          Darn you Joe… Now, I’ve got coffee in my nose….

          and a vision of a pizzd off roomba frantically banging into every ankle it can find.

          Even with the coffee, it makes me smile….

          I’ll send an eight down with a napkin, a tray of fruit, and a brioche. Just mind the crumbs. Crumbs *really* piss him off. :P

          -Joe

  5. Daemonik says:

    What we know and lingering questions.
    So far we know the Final Five did NOT create or setup the Temple of the Five on the algae planet. They did not setup the timing with the supernova, and by that they could not have setup the various signs that led the humans to the algae planet nor the nebulae where the song woke up the Five and Starbuck returned.

    We know that Cavil boxed the Five and put them in the Colonies. So Cavil is either very prescient or nobody revealed so far setup the trigger song to wake up the Five.

    We know that the Colonial Centurians had the concept of a One True God before they met the Earth Cylons. Perhaps this is a bit of random code in their base programming or it’s a leftover bit of personality from the woman who was the first Colonial Cylon imprint. (read the details about the Caprica series) Or.. there’s still an unknown 3rd party at work.

    We know that the Five could biologically reproduce but for some reason did not create Colonial Cylons who could. Perhaps because of the Resurrection Hub negating the need for being able to procreate although with all the pains they went through to make their children as human as possible I’d suggest that having children and the urge to procreate are amongst the more powerful human drives, so why leave out this crucial part? Were the first 8 prototypes and Cavil screwed up their plans by boxing the Five before they could add those abilities? Cavil would definitely have disapproved of sexual reproduction as so needlessly biological so it’s likely. But then why did they create a program later to attempt just this? Why the Opera House and Athena’s/Six’s/Roslin’s shared dream about Athena’s daughter?

    So.. 5 more episodes and so many questions still.

  6. Daemonik says:

    Btw
    Props to John Hodgman, perhaps the funniest guest part on a show yet.

    Also.. who’ll give me odds that Pythia was a supercomputer AI military Cylon back on Kobol who was designed to predict future wars but was so well designed it predicted the destruction of Kobol by human/cylon conflict and couldn’t determine a way to prevent it so it wrote a ‘prophesy’ and has been quietly engineering events to drive humans and cylons to an inseparable coexistence and intertwined evolution.

    • y42 says:

      I was giggling

      Props to John Hodgman, perhaps the funniest guest part on a show yet.

      "I’m a cylon…" "And I’m a PC!"
      "Oh, hi PC, what’s with the bone saw?"

      • Timeshredder says:

        It worked on Independence Day

        Props to John Hodgman, perhaps the funniest guest part on a show yet.

        "I’m a cylon…" "And I’m a PC!"
        "Oh, hi PC, what’s with the bone saw?"

        That’s it! The humans are plotting to install Windows on the Cylon race.

  7. Daemonik says:

    !!!
    It occurred to me that Anders said the Earth Cylons had re-invented ORGANIC memory transfer, something they’d had long ago on Kobol. So why is this significant? Organic implies they could transfer a human’s memories, not just a Cylon’s.

    Therefore, Kara Thrace is not a Cylon, she’s a clone! Her memories were downloaded into the copy.

    • jesusX says:

      Re: !!!

      Therefore, Kara Thrace is not a Cylon, she’s a clone! Her memories were downloaded into the copy.

      I wondered when someone else would think of this. :) The question is where did the clone body (and Viper) come from…

      • TomSwiss says:

        Re: !!!

        The question is where did the clone body (and Viper) come from…

        The Cylons – specifically, Simon – got tissue samples from her back on New Caprica, down on "The Farm".

      • paulm says:

        Re: !!!

        I wondered when someone else would think of this. :) The question is where did the clone body (and Viper) come from…

        Presumably the 5’s resurrection tech doesn’t have to be exactly the same as what the current Cylons use. Perhaps theirs included the capability to rebuild bodies (and ships).

        That would make sense when you consider their society consisted of individuals because you couldn’t have spares just waiting on ice for everyone (presuming that their development of the tech wasn’t just intended to be for those 5 but extended to others if there had been time before the apocalypse).

        With only a few models in the current Cylon society it would be more efficient to "mass produce" the body creation part of resurrection, especially when they needed that capability for the initial mass production of the new models anyway.

    • GrimSean says:

      Re: !!!

      Therefore, Kara Thrace is not a Cylon, she’s a clone! Her memories were downloaded into the copy.

      Here’s what I think, hidden behind spoiler tags since I’m nice like that:
      I think Kara’s a hybrid, and I think she’s part of the reason that Daniel (model 7) got boxed – Ellen blamed Cavell for his boxing, saying it was partially because of "what he’d done". Could he have perhaps done something to Daniel that turned him into a child-beating father?

      As I recall, when Kara was on Caprica, she returned home and her father was referred to as an artist and Ellen referred to Daniel as being artistic, which is why I’m drawing the connection. We know he beat Kara from the reference to the healed fractures in her hands from (I think) Leoban when he was holding Kara captive, and it’s obvious that Cavell has some experience in rewriting memories / creating Manchurians.

      Obviously, this is all wild speculation on my part – but hey, why not?

      I cannot wait for the next episode!

    • bsm117532 says:

      Re: !!!

      It occurred to me that Anders said the Earth Cylons had re-invented ORGANIC memory transfer, something they’d had long ago on Kobol. So why is this significant? Organic implies they could transfer a human’s memories, not just a Cylon’s.

      I was going to say this but you beat me to it.


      Remember that Anders said they (the Earth cylons) didn’t invent resurrection, they re-invented it. I disagree with someone’s interpretation above that 12 colonies were human and Earth was cylon. They were all the same (all human), and the humans on Earth invented centurions and skin-jobs, who re-discovered how to resurrect (meaning either the humans on Earth could do it, or the humans on Kobol could do it).

      This implies that all humans can resurrect, including Kara. (given the proper equipment) If Kara was orbiting Earth when she died, then presumably she took advantage of the same machinery that the final 5 used when Earth was nuked, which may still be in the solar system somewhere. Perhaps the human-resurrection ship is even a diplomacy mission from Kobol, all covered in lights…

      The reason for the war on Earth has not been made clear, nor have the parties involved in the fighting been identified. But clearly, the final 5 were killed, so presumably they were attacked by the human faction on Earth.

      There is another resurrection ship, humans can use it, and it’s near earth. I expect to see the Council return soon, and be rather pissed off. Perhaps the human population of Earth is also nearby…

      • joe__gee says:

        Re: !!!


        I disagree with someone’s interpretation above that 12 colonies were human and Earth was cylon.


        If it’s an interpretation, it’s an easy one to make.

        In the beginning episode of the second part of this season a six says that the Cylon reconnaissance teams had found the same thing all over Earth: skeletons, Cylon skeletons. It was then stated in conversation that the thirteenth tribe was Cylon.

        -Joe

        • bsm117532 says:

          Re: !!!


          If it’s an interpretation, it’s an easy one to make.


          True. Either way, resurrection came from Kobol, and humans can resurrect.

          One might expect that all Kobol’s diaspora tribes were Cylon. Why would one be different?

          Bah I can’t keep track anymore. They’re all cylons.

          • Timeshredder says:

            It’s a cookbook! A cookbook!


            If it’s an interpretation, it’s an easy one to make.


            True. Either way, resurrection came from Kobol, and humans can resurrect.

            One might expect that all Kobol’s diaspora tribes were Cylon. Why would one be different?

            Bah I can’t keep track anymore. They’re all cylons.

            Okay:

            We’re all Cylons.

            OR

            Humans settled the colonies, but then they bred Cylons, who took over the colony, replacing/interbreeding with humans, but then they bred new Cylons or otherwise went to war.

            OR

            Soylent Green is People! It’s peeeeeeeople!

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