Battlestar Galactica: Kobol’s Last Gleaming, Part 2

Season One ends with a bang.


Title: “Kobol’s Last Gleaming, Part 2”

Cast and Crew:

Edward James Olmos as Commander Adama
Jamie Bamber as Lee “Apollo” Adama
Grace Park as Sharon “Boomer” Valerii
Tahmoh Penikett as Helo
Tricia Helfer as Number 6
Katee Sackhoff as Kara “Starbuck” Thrace
Mary McDonnell as President Laura Roslin
Michael Hogan as Col. Tigh
James Callis as Dr. Gaius Baltar
Lorena Gale as Priest Elosha
Aaron Douglas as Chief Petty Officer Tyrol

Kandyse Mclure as Dualla
Paul Campbell as Billy Keikeya
Nicki Clyne as Cally

Writer: David Eick and Ronald D. Moore

Director: Michael Rymer

Plot:

The revelation that the President sent Starbuck on her mission leads to insurrection in fleet. Questions about democracy and the roles of the military, theology, and the press in government get raised. A principal character is shot at point-blank range.

Galactica-Boomer successfully blows up the Cylon Base, but is beside herself when circumstances bring her face-to-face with the truth about her nature.

Starbuck makes it to Caprica, has a run-in with Number Six, and meets up with Helo and the pregnant (which may be a key part of the Cylon plan) Caprica-Boomer. They also find the McGuffin of Apollo, but we have no idea whether it has any significance, or if the Cylons have been using it to misdirect the humans.

On Kobol, the survivors of the crash regroup, while Baltar wanders off to hear about his supposed destiny.

High Points:

The scenes involving Boomer, a strong actress who meets the challenge of this episode’s best scenes:

-on board the remarkably-designed, if rather spacious, Cylon base ship
-on Caprica, where she explains herself and the situation to Helo
-in the episode’s final moments.

Low Point:

Baltar’s visions of Six have grown annoying. Part of this rests with the mystery surrounding the Cylon plot– why is this happening? Part of the problem lies with Tricia Helford, a beautiful woman whose acting doesn’t quite match the level of the rest of the cast, but who must deliver some of the most difficult (because of their oddness) lines. This episode suggests that this plot will finally go somewhere next year. It needs to, because it has been allowed to drag on too long, marring the pace of some episodes.

The Scores:

Originality: 5/6.

Effects: 5/6. The space shots remain excellent. On-planet matte-work, while strong, could have been better.

Story: 4/6 The first half suffers from the choppiness associated with multiple storylines; the second half makes amends, by bringing those plot threads to stunning conclusions.

Acting: 5/6. Generally good.

Emotional Response: 6/6. We really don’t know what will happen next season– but it won’t be a reset button.

Production: 6/6.

Overall: 5/6

In total, “Kobol’s Last Gleaming, Part 2” receives 36/42

The Timeshredder’s reviews can be found here.

Final Comments

I really have been enjoying this show, but they have much to explain next year. At some point, we really need to get a better sense of a Cylon plan that would permit the destruction of their own bases, while leaving the species they tried to eliminate wandering in space when they clearly could have done much more with their agents on board, both to foil missions against them and to stop the fleet. I hope for the best– though I also recall the original Twin Peaks, several hours of brilliant filmmaking which then rocketed down the tubes as it became clear that the filmmakers were making shit up to prolong a mystery that had no sensible solution. I hope that Galactica will not suffer from that show’s season-and-a-half fate.

Still, Galactica boasts one of the finest first seasons in the history of SF television, a fact made all the more remarkable when one considers the source of the show.

34 replies on “Battlestar Galactica: Kobol’s Last Gleaming, Part 2”

  1. Jethro says:

    Wow
    All I can say is, well, it was worth it!

  2. HIM says:

    could have been better
    I would have thougt that more would be revealed about the cylons plans. We hardly know any more about the cylons plan now then we did at the beggining of the season.

    • J_W_W says:

      Re: could have been better

      I would have thougt that more would be revealed about the cylons plans. We hardly know any more about the cylons plan now then we did at the beggining of the season.

      I agree that more of the Cylons plan should have been made evident. I am also worried that the Cylons plan will reveal them to be puppet masters of the remaining humans. If thats the case I really don’t know if I would continue to watch. To me this show has to be about struggle, not just mindgames. It has to be about the humans struggle to find Earth.

      Over at SciFi’s BG bboard, there is overwhelming support for Adama’s actions this episode an contempt for Starbuck and the President for their mission to Caprica to retrive the arrow. In my mind the Arrow must be a real plot device that points them on the way to Earth. I believe for the series to really reach its potential the humans will need to fight they way away from the cylons and find their way here. Of course, being a fan of the old series, I know that the also must not be any actual episodes that have them interacting with earth. In the final episode of this series , I really really hope it is of one of their raptors finding earth.

      This brings up another worry I have. I really want to know if Moore knows how this ends. The reference to Twin Peaks really hits home. The last episodes of that show did clearly show that they were making alot of things up as they went along, I was a huge fan of that show. But I’m a raving fan of Babylon 5. I want Battlestar Galactica to approach Babylon 5 in its stature in Scifi. This is only really possible if Moore already knows the ending. If he doesn’t there will eventually be really contrived answers to some of these questions.

      • vanyel says:

        Re: could have been better

        Over at SciFi’s BG bboard, there is overwhelming support for Adama’s actions this episode an contempt for Starbuck and the President for their mission to Caprica to retrive the arrow.

        The anti-religion part of me agrees, but within the context of this show, it’s not so cut and dried. From a storytelling perspective, they did not properly setup Adama’s character to go that far. He’s jeopardizing any chance of a stable governmental system. On the other hand, there is a substantial theme to delve into when you’ve got strongly held, diametrically opposed, views on how to save humanity. When everything is at stake, how do you decide who’s right? There’s some meat for a story arc…

        • nkuzmik says:

          Re: could have been better

          Over at SciFi’s BG bboard, there is overwhelming support for Adama’s actions this episode an contempt for Starbuck and the President for their mission to Caprica to retrive the arrow.

          The anti-religion part of me agrees, but within the context of this show, it’s not so cut and dried. From a storytelling perspective, they did not properly setup Adama’s character to go that far. He’s jeopardizing any chance of a stable governmental system. On the other hand, there is a substantial theme to delve into when you’ve got strongly held, diametrically opposed, views on how to save humanity. When everything is at stake, how do you decide who’s right? There’s some meat for a story arc…

          I have things to say… I just need to get to work, where I can slack off when nobody is looking and make the post ;-)

      • Daemonik says:

        Re: could have been better

        I agree that more of the Cylons plan should have been made evident. I am also worried that the Cylons plan will reveal them to be puppet masters of the remaining humans. If thats the case I really don’t know if I would continue to watch. To me this show has to be about struggle, not just mindgames. It has to be about the humans struggle to find Earth.

        Okay, obviously you’re nostalgic for the old Galactica, which is sad because this isn’t it. It’s been apparent to me from the start that with the Cylons overwhelming technological progress and numerical superiority that they could have eliminated the fleet from the begining. In the episode ’33’ they could have had 20 basestars and hundreds of thousands of fighters jumping right into the middle of the Colonial fleet if they wanted. So it seems that they want this group of humans to live and are pushing them towards some higher destiny that they are planning for them, which right now looks like interbreeding for some reason.

        Over at SciFi’s BG bboard, there is overwhelming support for Adama’s actions this episode an contempt for Starbuck and the President for their mission to Caprica to retrive the arrow. In my mind the Arrow must be a real plot device that points them on the way to Earth. I believe for the series to really reach its potential the humans will need to fight they way away from the cylons and find their way here. Of course, being a fan of the old series, I know that the also must not be any actual episodes that have them interacting with earth. In the final episode of this series , I really really hope it is of one of their raptors finding earth.

        Who’s to say that the Cylons don’t already know where Earth is? They obviously knew where to find Kobol and it seems if they went looking for Kobol and are following the script set down in the Pithian Prophecies then they know it exists so why wouldn’t they have already found it to eliminate that ‘threat’ to them?

        • J_W_W says:

          Re: could have been better

          I agree that more of the Cylons plan should have been made evident. I am also worried that the Cylons plan will reveal them to be puppet masters of the remaining humans. If thats the case I really don’t know if I would continue to watch. To me this show has to be about struggle, not just mindgames. It has to be about the humans struggle to find Earth.

          Okay, obviously you’re nostalgic for the old Galactica, which is sad because this isn’t it. It’s been apparent to me from the start that with the Cylons overwhelming technological progress and numerical superiority that they could have eliminated the fleet from the begining. In the episode ’33’ they could have had 20 basestars and hundreds of thousands of fighters jumping right into the middle of the Colonial fleet if they wanted. So it seems that they want this group of humans to live and are pushing them towards some higher destiny that they are planning for them, which right now looks like interbreeding for some reason.

          Over at SciFi’s BG bboard, there is overwhelming support for Adama’s actions this episode an contempt for Starbuck and the President for their mission to Caprica to retrive the arrow. In my mind the Arrow must be a real plot device that points them on the way to Earth. I believe for the series to really reach its potential the humans will need to fight they way away from the cylons and find their way here. Of course, being a fan of the old series, I know that the also must not be any actual episodes that have them interacting with earth. In the final episode of this series , I really really hope it is of one of their raptors finding earth.

          Who’s to say that the Cylons don’t already know where Earth is? They obviously knew where to find Kobol and it seems if they went looking for Kobol and are following the script set down in the Pithian Prophecies then they know it exists so why wouldn’t they have already found it to eliminate that ‘threat’ to them?

          Its not just being nostalgic, I would like there to be some tie in to using the same name for the series. As far as Earth goes, there is just so much capability to explore the mythos behind the series. The original did a good job of building up this mythos, and a horrid job of playing it out. That’s why I stated that they should find Earth and fade to black at the end.

          I do not necessarily agree that the cylons could have always eliminated them. I do not want to belive so. If that is the case, they’re too much like the super-invincible comic book villans and what always happens with them is your heros end up needing very contrived plot devices to win.

          As far as the propecy goes and finding earth. It does seem that everyone, Starbuck, Boomer, Six, all wanted the arrow. It really does seem that it may well be the key to finding earth.

          Now on to more speculation… Did anyone else notice the gratituous camera move in the final scene where the camera follows Gaeta’s hand down towards Boomers hand and back up. What’s that supposed to mean. It could have been just the camera style they’re using for the series and meant nothing, or did he hand her something or do something? Is Gaeta a cylon? I am throughly convinced that the writers are incapable at this point of NOT having another shocker cylon agent on Galactica. Right now I really think it could be Gaeta.

          • FarmerBob says:

            Re: could have been better
            It really seems that the cylons have been able to eliminate the humans at any time this season. What I think this season was meant to show is the complete dominance of the cylons and their absolute confidence in plans to control the humans. What I hope to see in the future is the cylons losing their control, and losing the ability to eliminate the humans at any time.

            Is Gaeta a cylon?

            I acutally thought Lt. Gaeta was a cylon all the time (after 33, not the mini-series). Maybe someone should watch 33 and see how well he is holding up there? Boomer did better without sleep than any of the other pilots.

            • Omeganon says:

              Re: could have been better

              It really seems that the cylons have been able to eliminate the humans at any time this season. What I think this season was meant to show is the complete dominance of the cylons and their absolute confidence in plans to control the humans. What I hope to see in the future is the cylons losing their control, and losing the ability to eliminate the humans at any time.

              Is Gaeta a cylon?

              I acutally thought Lt. Gaeta was a cylon all the time (after 33, not the mini-series). Maybe someone should watch 33 and see how well he is holding up there? Boomer did better without sleep than any of the other pilots.

              Doesn’t anyone else think it odd that in the vastness of space with literally any direction they could have traveled they chose the one that would put them on a path to find their very very long lost homeworld? The probability of this happening through random chance are miniscule to say the least. With the Cylons already there and Gaeta planning the jumps this theory begins to make sense.

              Artist license or another clue?


              Omeganon

              • joe__gee says:

                Re: could have been better

                Doesn’t anyone else think it odd that in the vastness of space with literally any direction they could have traveled they chose the one that would put them on a path to find their very very long lost homeworld? The probability of this happening through random chance are miniscule to say the least. With the Cylons already there and Gaeta planning the jumps this theory begins to make sense.

                Artist license or another clue?


                Omeganon

                And Gaeta was the one who exonerated Baltar when Six showed up with “evidence” of his treason … Ya know, Gaeta is beginning to sound suspicious.

                -Joe

              • jayhawk88 says:

                Re: could have been better
                OK this is the totally out of left field, no way this could ever be, gimme some of what you’re smoking theory:

                All the remaining humans are Cylon sleepers. No humans survived the massacre. The human/sleepers have been allowed to believe they are human, that they survived by chance and are being pursued by Cylons. The Cylons already know that their sleeper agents can sometimes use human emotions/imagination/etc to become more than the sum of their programming, and hope that this group of human/sleeper agents collectively will find a way back to Earth where perhaps the Cylons themselves could not.

        • Boglin says:

          Re: could have been better

          It’s been apparent to me from the start that with the Cylons overwhelming technological progress and numerical superiority that they could have eliminated the fleet from the begining. In the episode ’33’ they could have had 20 basestars and hundreds of thousands of fighters jumping right into the middle of the Colonial fleet if they wanted. So it seems that they want this group of humans to live and are pushing them towards some higher destiny that they are planning for them, which right now looks like interbreeding for some reason….Who’s to say that the Cylons don’t already know where Earth is?

          Okay, this is completely the cheap, Star Trek Enterprise answer, but here goes:

          The Cylons can’t find earth. Kobol’s magical mystery toys will only work with genuine humans or they can’t figure out the prophecy. Irregardless, they have no clue how to get to Earth. Thus, they decide to leave a small contingent of humans around (nothing large enough to actually be a threat) and let them search for Earth. Then, all they have to do is activate the rest of their sleepers, take over Galactica, and use humanity’s own ship to wipe out Earth. Even if it doesn’t work, they can just send the entire Cylon armada and blast the place into oblivion.

          Sorry, I guess I’ve just played to many video games, where the plot is always: The villain lets the hero find the great, lost McGuffin so that he can just jump in and steal the McGuffin from the hero.

          • nkuzmik says:

            Re: could have been better

            The Cylons can’t find earth. Kobol’s magical mystery toys will only work with genuine humans or they can’t figure out the prophecy. Irregardless, they have no clue how to get to Earth. Thus, they decide to leave a small contingent of humans around (nothing large enough to actually be a threat) and let them search for Earth.

            Now here is an interesting thought… Look at Boomer’s co-pilot from last episode. “This could be the one little planet that solves all our problems.” For the sake of argument, assume that the Cylons leave the humans alone, they find a resource rich planet, and decide to stay there. How long would it take before the Colonials could start cranking out new fighters and captial ships? How long until their numbers are enough that the Cylons should worry?

            • FarmerBob says:

              Re: could have been better

              The Cylons can’t find earth. Kobol’s magical mystery toys will only work with genuine humans or they can’t figure out the prophecy. Irregardless, they have no clue how to get to Earth. Thus, they decide to leave a small contingent of humans around (nothing large enough to actually be a threat) and let them search for Earth.

              Now here is an interesting thought… Look at Boomer’s co-pilot from last episode. “This could be the one little planet that solves all our problems.” For the sake of argument, assume that the Cylons leave the humans alone, they find a resource rich planet, and decide to stay there. How long would it take before the Colonials could start cranking out new fighters and captial ships? How long until their numbers are enough that the Cylons should worry?

              My estimate is around 200 years without cloning at the best. A population of less than 50,000 is not enough for a space fleet that can confront the cylons.

              • nkuzmik says:

                Re: could have been better

                The Cylons can’t find earth. Kobol’s magical mystery toys will only work with genuine humans or they can’t figure out the prophecy. Irregardless, they have no clue how to get to Earth. Thus, they decide to leave a small contingent of humans around (nothing large enough to actually be a threat) and let them search for Earth.

                Now here is an interesting thought… Look at Boomer’s co-pilot from last episode. “This could be the one little planet that solves all our problems.” For the sake of argument, assume that the Cylons leave the humans alone, they find a resource rich planet, and decide to stay there. How long would it take before the Colonials could start cranking out new fighters and captial ships? How long until their numbers are enough that the Cylons should worry?

                My estimate is around 200 years without cloning at the best. A population of less than 50,000 is not enough for a space fleet that can confront the cylons.

                I forgot to factor for the human reproduction rate. I was just thinking about technology. If they convert applicable parts of the fleet totally into manufacturing, which is then used to setup planetside manufacturing plants, I’m guesstimating about 20 years before the first small capital ship slips her moorings. Maybe another 20 before the first generation of home-grown BattleStar class vessels come online.

  3. nkuzmik says:

    I found my words!
    I had actually intended to post this in the previous ep’s thread but the laptop ran out of power and had to hibernate, so here it is.

    Item 1 Rosilyn wants the Arrow of Apollo to open the Tomb of Athena, to find the way to Earth. Very good. This implys they know where the Tomb is. Say they find the Tomb, but they still don’t have the arrow. I don’t need no stinking arrow. “Demolitions! Satchel charge, short fuse!” I’ll open your damn Tomb.

    Item 2 When the Raptor was going down, the forward canopy shattered. A little FYI for you. Once you hit about 40 mph, it’s virtually impossible to keep your eyes open.

    Item 3 Is Helo the only Raptor driver who paid attention in SEER?

    Item 4 Did anybody else notice the name thing going on with Boomer-C and Helo?
    She is sometimes “Boomer,” but usually “Sharon.” On the other hand I don’t think she’s ever called him “Karl,” only “Helo.”

    Here’s an a random thought for you. What do you call members of the Colonial military, such that it is? Are the soldiers, sailors, airmen(spacemen)? One of the neat things about Andromeda was how they specified the distinction between the Argosy, members of which were “argos”(argo, singular), and the lancers. Does BSG make the distinction?

    Okay, I’ll stop talking… for now.

    • nkuzmik says:

      Re: I found my words!
      A thought I had just seconds after posting… The “Boomers” on the Cylon BaseStar were all naked. I’m not complaining mind you… Grace Park is… uh… getting distracted… back on track. Anyway you catch my drift. And to be honest, it actually makes a degree of sense. The Cylon “footsoldiers” are running around “naked,” as are the Raiders, if you assume as I do that the Cylons have moved to a techno-organic design paradigm, and every Raider, “footsoldier,” human infiltrator, perhaps even BaseStar is actually a discrete Cylon.

      Once again, off track. I’ll wager that the BaseStar’s average internal temp is just about 98.6, or just a little below. At that temp, there is no need for clothing for warmth. Protective garments would available, should the be needed for a task.

      My point is this. If the infiltrators are all nude on the BaseStar, then why were all the infiltrators clothed when they boarded Ragnar Anchorage at the end of the Mini?

      Okay, I’ll stop talking… for now.

      • Timeshredder says:

        Re: I found my words!

        1. They may well need the stinkin’ arrow. Remember, this is (to the believers) a theological matter. They don’t know how the arrow opens the tomb, but anyone following a magical view of things would likely feel that there is no short-cut.

        2. The Cylons were clothed at Ragnar Anchorage because
        (i) it would have been difficult to do that shot on regular television with naked people. Think of how often the Boomers were in shadow. On Anchorage, the whole point of the scene was to show us the different models.
        (ii) Anchorage wasn’t quite as toasty as the inside of the BaseStar (At least, as I recall it).

        • FarmerBob says:

          Re: I found my words!

          1. They may well need the stinkin’ arrow. Remember, this is (to the believers) a theological matter. They don’t know how the arrow opens the tomb, but anyone following a magical view of things would likely feel that there is no short-cut.

          How about the really easy explination? The arrow could really be the key to a computer database or some other storage medium that is a bad idea to blow up. If that were the case, the arrow would be essential for them to get to earth.

        • nkuzmik says:

          Re: I found my words!

          1. They may well need the stinkin’ arrow. Remember, this is (to the believers) a theological matter. They don’t know how the arrow opens the tomb, but anyone following a magical view of things would likely feel that there is no short-cut.

          Then I give the True-Believers permission to roll around the floor laughing when my shaped charges don’t work.

    • SemperAskew says:

      Re: I found my words!

      Item 1 Rosilyn wants the Arrow of Apollo to open the Tomb of Athena, to find the way to Earth. Very good. This implys they know where the Tomb is. Say they find the Tomb, but they still don’t have the arrow. I don’t need no stinking arrow. “Demolitions! Satchel charge, short fuse!” I’ll open your damn Tomb.

      That works fine if the arrow is nothing more than a simple metal key, but what if it is more? We don’t know if there is some sort of electronics built into it. Or if it is made of a specific metal to complete a circuit.
      My other thought, is that it is more like a map key. So, they need it to help decipher whatever is in the tomb, so they can find Earth. You need to consider that whoever hid this was at technological level that they could colonize other planets.

    • TomSwiss says:

      Re: I found my words!

      I don’t need no stinking arrow. “Demolitions! Satchel charge, short fuse!” I’ll open your damn Tomb.

      While it may be true that
      there are very few problems which can’t be solved by a suitable application of high explosives
      , entry to archeological sites is probably on the short list. “The good news is we’re into the site. The bad news is the stuff we wanted is dust.”

      And it’s possible – probable even – that the arrow isn’t just a key, but some sort of puzzle piece, like the “Staff of Ra” medallion in Radiers of the Lost Ark.

      • nkuzmik says:

        Re: I found my words!

        I don’t need no stinking arrow. “Demolitions! Satchel charge, short fuse!” I’ll open your damn Tomb.

        While it may be true that
        there are very few problems which can’t be solved by a suitable application of high explosives
        , entry to archeological sites is probably on the short list. “The good news is we’re into the site. The bad news is the stuff we wanted is dust.”

        And it’s possible – probable even – that the arrow isn’t just a key, but some sort of puzzle piece, like the “Staff of Ra” medallion in Radiers of the Lost Ark.

        Yeah… I was oversimplifying… a lot…

        My point is, Adama thinks going for the arrow is too risky, yet he cannot deny the potential value of Earth’s location. He says nothing to the effect of, “First we rescue our people, then we’ll talk about opening the tomb.”

        • joe__gee says:

          Re: I found my words!

          Yeah… I was oversimplifying… a lot…

          My point is, Adama thinks going for the arrow is too risky, yet he cannot deny the potential value of Earth’s location. He says nothing to the effect of, “First we rescue our people, then we’ll talk about opening the tomb.”

          He doesn’t really have time. Adama was rudely interrupted after just having destroyed the base star that was anchoring the fighter fleet keeping everyone hostage on the surface of Kobol. :) Now, he *might* have come to this conclusion eventually, had Boomer not so rudely interrupted his train of thought.

          I have to re-watch 33, and Last Gleaming II to see what’s up with Gaeta. I am pretty certain he ends up in command of the fleet at the beginning of next season. A Cylon at the controls could be … Interesting.

          A question on my mind is how Baltar is going to weasel out of not detecting Boomer with his “working” Cylon detector … For me the irony of Baltar is that anything that serves to discredit him also discredits his working Cylon detector.
          -Joe

          • J_W_W says:

            Re: I found my words!

            Yeah… I was oversimplifying… a lot…

            My point is, Adama thinks going for the arrow is too risky, yet he cannot deny the potential value of Earth’s location. He says nothing to the effect of, “First we rescue our people, then we’ll talk about opening the tomb.”

            He doesn’t really have time. Adama was rudely interrupted after just having destroyed the base star that was anchoring the fighter fleet keeping everyone hostage on the surface of Kobol. :) Now, he *might* have come to this conclusion eventually, had Boomer not so rudely interrupted his train of thought.

            I have to re-watch 33, and Last Gleaming II to see what’s up with Gaeta. I am pretty certain he ends up in command of the fleet at the beginning of next season. A Cylon at the controls could be … Interesting.

            A question on my mind is how Baltar is going to weasel out of not detecting Boomer with his “working” Cylon detector … For me the irony of Baltar is that anything that serves to discredit him also discredits his working Cylon detector.
            -Joe

            Wouldn’t Tigh be in command, or do you know something we don’t know? I do want to see Baltar get discredited for his cylon detector, but from everything that happened in season one I’m certain they’ll find a way for him to weasel of of it. Although, at the end of this episode I got the really really distinct feeling that Baltar won’t be staying with the humans much longer and will move much much closer to the original series’ take on Baltar. I don’t see that happening because of the “faulty” detector issue, though. I think it will be when he makes his escape after taking Caprica Boomer’s baby for the cylons. I’m certain that will happen.

            • joe__gee says:

              Re: I found my words!

              Wouldn’t Tigh be in command, or do you know something we don’t know? I do want to see Baltar get discredited for his cylon detector, but from everything that happened in season one I’m certain they’ll find a way for him to weasel of of it. Although, at the end of this episode I got the really really distinct feeling that Baltar won’t be staying with the humans much longer and will move much much closer to the original series’ take on Baltar. I don’t see that happening because of the “faulty” detector issue, though. I think it will be when he makes his escape after taking Caprica Boomer’s baby for the cylons. I’m certain that will happen.

              I don’t know anything anyone else in here couldn’t find out. I read the TV Guidian Prophecy a few weeks back. It probably *will* be Tighe in command, come to think of it. I was thinking that popular choice would probably support Gaeta, but Tighe is the second, isn’t he? I couldn’t remember whether it was the executive office or the lieutenant who was second in command. Besides, Ellen wouldn’t have it any other way … I think it *might* be better to have a Cylon in command. :)

              I know of other portents from the TV Guidian Prophecy, but those I shall keep to myself (one could probably find a reprint of the article somewhere online, if one desired.) I think Baltar will somehow weasel out of his current dilemma, and like you said, grab Boomer-C’s baby and head for the hills by the end of season 2.

              -Joe G.

            • Ogre says:

              Re: I found my words!

              Regarding Caprica Boomer and the baby: Am I the only person here who thinks that Baltar and six are looking at their own child and not Boomers? Just my personal insight into the plot line.

              • Kaki says:

                Re: I found my words!


                Regarding Caprica Boomer and the baby: Am I the only person here who thinks that Baltar and six are looking at their own child and not Boomers? Just my personal insight into the plot line.

                That was my thinking on the subject too. The Six model and the Boomer model don’t seem to be on the best of terms. If Six’s description to Baltar was her real opinion on the matter, I would be surprised to see her wanting a decendent of the B-model.

                It seems to me that Six and B may have been sort of vieing for control of the Cylon future by way of who could have a child first. If that is the case, then B looks to be a bit ahead, but her standing with the rest of the Cylons is questionable.

                One thing I’m curious about. If a Cylon has a child, can they have another just like it? I mean, basically produce a series of identical children, like psudo-biological clones.

                • Zarhim says:

                  Re: I found my words!


                  Regarding Caprica Boomer and the baby: Am I the only person here who thinks that Baltar and six are looking at their own child and not Boomers? Just my personal insight into the plot line.

                  That was my thinking on the subject too. The Six model and the Boomer model don’t seem to be on the best of terms. If Six’s description to Baltar was her real opinion on the matter, I would be surprised to see her wanting a decendent of the B-model.

                  It seems to me that Six and B may have been sort of vieing for control of the Cylon future by way of who could have a child first. If that is the case, then B looks to be a bit ahead, but her standing with the rest of the Cylons is questionable.

                  One thing I’m curious about. If a Cylon has a child, can they have another just like it? I mean, basically produce a series of identical children, like psudo-biological clones.

                  Something that has been kinda bothering me is that while everything points to the President as beening the leader in the proficies that lead the humans to earth, it doesn’t seem like Six believes it.

                  I think that over the years that the cylons evolved into their current state they obviously have been reading and interpiting the proficies, and have come to a conclusion that there must be some baby in the mix. Six see’s it as an opertunity to control the situation, she picks and manipulates the one that she want’s to be the leader (Baltar) of the humans (of course that would mean that Baltar would have to be die off before too long but I don’t really see Six as being bothered by that), and is thinking that if she and Baltar have the baby then she can control that aspect of the proficies as well?

                  But things are not falling into place for her, as the President has already had the “visions” and Boomer’s pregant. I see a civil war happening within the cylon’s ranks between sides that want to just let things happen and then Six who thinks they need to control it.

          • quantaman says:

            Re: I found my words!

            A question on my mind is how Baltar is going to weasel out of not detecting Boomer with his “working” Cylon detector … For me the irony of Baltar is that anything that serves to discredit him also discredits his working Cylon detector.
            -Joe

            Actually I’ve been thinking of that situation since he “completed” the detector. Remember how he went from about a minute to 8 hrs? He could simply explain that he had tested her with an early version that didn’t do a couple checks he hadn’t finished yet. That’s why it could finish so quickly. However this new version which runs them all, and takes 8 hrs doing it, would of caught her (and maybe he’ll run the “improved” detector on her just to demonstrate).

        • Zarhim says:

          Re: I found my words!

          … My point is, Adama thinks going for the arrow is too risky, yet he cannot deny the potential value of Earth’s location.

          It was always my impression that he never believed the “legends” of Earth, he was just using it as away to keep the hopes of the refugees alive and keep them moving.

  4. yodapez18 says:

    ACKBAR: “It’s a Trap!”
    its a tired plo device, and i always feel manipulated when it happens. For once I don’t really WANT to know what the cylons plan is. Sometimes its cool when the enemy DOESN’T hold all the cards until the 11th hour.
    So screw the Cylons, i want to see them plot and plan and have a heart attack when they can’t find galactica.
    in the original series they kind of dropped off the map the last few episodes right? The series started with the cylons, does it have to end with them? make it about um let me think… battlestar Galactica?
    the whole idea of the “revisioning” in my mind was hopefully that they could explore the potential lost in the original. So hopefull they will move beyond “Fleeing Cylon Tyrranny” and move to “Finding earth, finding allies, and beating Cylon Ass”.
    based on the first season they can get away with a second season, i they get to a second they can get to a fourth, and if a fourth they can get to a sixth. i am sure they are not planning short term here, Ron moore knows his series is good and he will probably put some thought into where it is going, its not like on Enterprise where they said “Oh crap make it more complicated, spice it up, raise some questions” and then suddenly, “We’re sick of this, lets end it all in one epsiode and start over.”
    I still say a cross over between BG and SGSG-1 would be sweet. The two plot lines compliment eachother nicely. you ahve your ascended beings, your ascended race and your roots of religion..
    oh right this site doesn’t review stargate sg-1

    • hitch says:

      Re: ACKBAR: “It’s a Trap!”

      its a tired plo device, and i always feel manipulated when it happens. For once I don’t really WANT to know what the cylons plan is. Sometimes its cool when the enemy DOESN’T hold all the cards until the 11th hour.
      So screw the Cylons, i want to see them plot and plan and have a heart attack when they can’t find galactica.
      in the original series they kind of dropped off the map the last few episodes right? The series started with the cylons, does it have to end with them? make it about um let me think… battlestar Galactica?
      the whole idea of the “revisioning” in my mind was hopefully that they could explore the potential lost in the original. So hopefull they will move beyond “Fleeing Cylon Tyrranny” and move to “Finding earth, finding allies, and beating Cylon Ass”.
      based on the first season they can get away with a second season, i they get to a second they can get to a fourth, and if a fourth they can get to a sixth. i am sure they are not planning short term here, Ron moore knows his series is good and he will probably put some thought into where it is going, its not like on Enterprise where they said “Oh crap make it more complicated, spice it up, raise some questions” and then suddenly, “We’re sick of this, lets end it all in one epsiode and start over.”
      I still say a cross over between BG and SGSG-1 would be sweet. The two plot lines compliment eachother nicely. you ahve your ascended beings, your ascended race and your roots of religion..
      oh right this site doesn’t review stargate sg-1

      oh for pete’s sake.
      the season five review will be up shortly after I find out what happened to the shipment. then it’ll be a short jump from there to season 8, and I’ll pick up with at LEAST discussion forums starting the beginning of next season. sheesh.

  5. drax says:

    Cylon motives
    I think the Cylon “plan” is pretty straightforward.
    We know there was a war between them and the Colonials several years ago which resulted in the Cylons retreating from known space. During which time they developed the technologies to allow long range jumps on small ships and also the ability to look human, down to a molecular level.
    We also know the Colonials aren’t explorers, in the pilot episode just two hyper jumps put them into unexplored territory.
    So I think the Cylon motivation is simply to grab the resources and industries of the colonies, exterminating the human race is simply a logical offshoot of that, they don’t want competition.
    The Cylons knowledge of Kobol and Earth is only what their human creators knew, which wasn’t a hell of a lot as we’ve found out.
    As a race they may becoming self aware, as a society, so naturally they’re questioning their place in the universe. They may revere the humans as their creators, or even gods (though they acknowledge the existence of a higher god than humans), but a lot of cultures in *our* history either attempt to or succeed in killing their gods at some point in history.
    I don’t think there’s any grand plan, they’re grabbiong resources they need and going through the growing pains of any young civilisation.

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