Lost Discussion: “Live Together, Die Alone” (Season Finale)

After discovering something odd just offshore, Jack and Sayid come up with a plan to confront “The Others” and hopefully get Walt back. At the same time there will be an answer to the question of where Michael has been and resolution of him and Walt. Meanwhile, Eko and Locke come to blows as Locke makes a potentially cataclysmic decision regarding the “button” and the hatch. Lastly, Desmond returns and he sheds some more light on his experience on the island in the three years prior to when Locke came down into that hatch.

VCR Alert: Tonight is a 2 hour episode.

37 replies on “Lost Discussion: “Live Together, Die Alone” (Season Finale)”

  1. J_W_W says:

    LOST
    Ok, now _I’m_ LOST. Whoa.

    Cliffhangers, Cliffhangers everywhere……

    Next season…. too …. far …. away …..

    • zonk3r says:

      Re: LOST

      Ok, now _I’m_ LOST. Whoa.

      Cliffhangers, Cliffhangers everywhere……

      Next season…. too …. far …. away …..

      agreed. wtf happened here?? it just ended so i’m still scratching my head…

      not sure though i liked this ending as it really didn’t answer much at all. even x files season finales made you think you learned a little more (though you usually didn’t) than this episode. i dunno, am i alone? in any case, yeah the next season is waaay to far away. :)

      • valen1260 says:

        Re: LOST

        not sure though i liked this ending as it really didn’t answer much at all. even x files season finales made you think you learned a little more (though you usually didn’t) than this episode. i dunno, am i alone? in any case, yeah the next season is waaay to far away. :)

        Ditto. The capture of Jack, Kate, and Sawyer wasn’t really something that is going to make me think all summer. There were some nice new questions raised about the Others. They can’t be too professional if Ms. Clue slipped up and called "Zeke" Tom. Also, it would seem "Henry" is the leader that he spoke of with such fear while in the vault. But, those aren’t questions I’m going to ponder all summer, like "What’s in the hatch?"

        Also, wtf is up with the purple sky? From the way Inman was talking, I thought the key would detonate the complex, regardless of countdown status. Desmond made it seem more like an emergency release if the first system failed.

        I really like that Desmond, despite having been in there for three years, was still willing to believe that entering the code was important. He even realized what Locke could/would not: that maybe Pearl was the experiment. I really like how the viewer gets all the clues (like finding the vacuum tubes in a field), but the survivors don’t always coordinate them with one another.

        I don’t know why Locke didn’t comb the printout as Desmond did (unless he was just disgusted by the whole "experiment"), but the thought had occured to me when they got it that it was a log of the code entry. The various coincidences between Locke and Desmond (the hatch light and the revelation of what brought down Flight 815) were nice.

        Overall, I really like what they did with Desmond: his backstory before the island (Why was he in jail? And, because it needs to be said, 8 and 23 were prevalent on the envelope to Pen.), on the island, and his return to the island. I liked the Inman connection. (Had we heard his name before, or is this the first time to make the connection with Sayid?) I was glad Desmond couldn’t just sneak up on him, as both had had military training. I hope this isn’t the last we’ll see of non-flashback Des.

        I also really liked the Libby connection. If her David is Hurley’s Dave, did he die before or after they were in the hospital? It seems his death would be a good reason for Libby to be in the hospital, too. And, being a sailor, did he die on the pier Hurley collapsed?

        There was a nice, subtle setup with Pen, too, at the stadium. She said that "with enough money and determination… you can find anything." Because of that, the last minute of the finale was excellent! Now we know someone is looking for the island.

        The foot statue was very unexpected. I look forward to learning more about it. Hopefully, the survivors will get to keep the boat. Since they apparently can’t sail away, they could at least use it to explore the island.

        But, the best part of the episode was when Jack confronts Michael, and you can see Hurley piece things together.

        Overall, the finale introduced some interesting character revelations, but didn’t really leave me desperate for more. (Maybe that will change after a summer of reruns.)

  2. yeti skydive says:

    wowie
    "lost" really knows how to get you hooked to watch the next season.

    • Fozzy_Bear says:

      Re: wowie

      "lost" really knows how to get you hooked to watch the next season.

      Actually, I would have to disagree.

      I got hooked in the middle of the First season and waited anxiously for the Second to find out what was in the hatch. Ever since I found out, I have been less and less interested. I actually stopped wathcing half way through the 4th eppisode (which I didn’t bother to finish).

      Now, due to a bit of lingering curiosity from my being hooked during season 1, I read the review here on bureau42 every week and that fills my LOST need for the week.

      Once or twice over the season I read something that made me think it might be worth watching the whole epp to see (so I went ahead and watched it with my wife who Tivo’s it and sees it on Thursdays) I remember watching the one with the hatch diagram, and I also watched all of "?". But other than that, a five minute web-browse is all I’m really willing to give it.

      But that’s just me, I COULD be wrong.

  3. octa says:

    Lost fan for life
    Really really liked it, I have a few theories too. But first here’s some stuff I noticed:

    1.) Kelvin was the soldier that tricked Sayid into interrogating his CO.
    2.) Libby’s husband’s name was Dave which also is the name of Hurley’s "imaginary" friend.
    3.) Eko’s cross didn’t try and rip itself off his neck during the "magnetic storm" (probably just an effects oversight)
    4.) The computers didn’t fry during the magnetic storm (plot hole?)

    Some pretty cool stuff there :D. I personally think they’re inside some kind of dome. The foot statue was interesting but will probably turn out to be of an animal or something.

    I love this show!

    • valen1260 says:

      Re: Lost fan for life

      4.) The computers didn’t fry during the magnetic storm (plot hole?)

      I kept thinking about that very fact, and it really is a huge hole in the story. If you’re going to build a system to discharge a magnet every 108 minutes, and you’re going to make it require human interaction for whatever psychological reason(s), why not just a big, mechanical button that says "Release Valve". There’s *absolutely* no way the computer, CRT display, magnetic tape reels, or even the VHS "orientation" video from Pearl could survive magnetism strong enough to hurl weights across the room.

      • J_W_W says:

        Re: Lost fan for life

        4.) The computers didn’t fry during the magnetic storm (plot hole?)

        I kept thinking about that very fact, and it really is a huge hole in the story. If you’re going to build a system to discharge a magnet every 108 minutes, and you’re going to make it require human interaction for whatever psychological reason(s), why not just a big, mechanical button that says "Release Valve". There’s *absolutely* no way the computer, CRT display, magnetic tape reels, or even the VHS "orientation" video from Pearl could survive magnetism strong enough to hurl weights across the room.

        Maybe the field isn’t uniform. The video tape was a long ways away when Desmond failed to push the button and brought the plane down. Also, it seemed to me that the computer romm was the last room to really start getting ripped apart by the magnetism. I’m willing to suspend belief on this. Or perhaps the computer equpment is hardened. Also, is there anything to indicate that the tape drives are actually used at all? If the computers hardend and loading stuff off of memory then it could survive the first storm, although the monitor would still be hard to read :-).

        • valen1260 says:

          Re: Lost fan for life

          Maybe the field isn’t uniform. The video tape was a long ways away when Desmond failed to push the button and brought the plane down. Also, it seemed to me that the computer romm was the last room to really start getting ripped apart by the magnetism.

          Charlie and Eko were in the access hall with the magnet. The living quarters are, I think (I’d have to re-watch), on the other side of the computer room. So, everything was getting pulled through the computer room. If the computer room is the last to be affected, that’s an even bigger plot hole.

          Or perhaps the computer equpment is hardened.

          I thought about that. It is from an earlier age, but I’m not sure if that means it would be more or less protected. My (modern) monitor gets a little wonky when I use my cell phone too close to it.

          Also, is there anything to indicate that the tape drives are actually used at all? If the computers hardend and loading stuff off of memory then it could survive the first storm, although the monitor would still be hard to read :-).

          Again, I/collective-we would have to rewatch to see if the tapes are ever turning. My guess is no. Either way, if the *magnetic* hard drive goes, the *magnetic* tapes go, too. Tapes are probably more susceptible, actually. Besides, the *real* backup is printed out at Pearl. ;)

      • Fez says:

        Re: Lost fan for life

        …or even the VHS "orientation" video from Pearl could survive magnetism strong enough to hurl weights across the room.

        Perhaps that’s why The Swan’s orientation video was on Film, rather than VCR tape?

        • Antti Helin says:

          Re: Lost fan for life

          …or even the VHS "orientation" video from Pearl could survive magnetism strong enough to hurl weights across the room.

          Perhaps that’s why The Swan’s orientation video was on Film, rather than VCR tape?

          If I recall the years right, I think The Swan orientation film was a film because there weren’t VCRs when the orientation film was made, in late 1970s or thereabouts, whereas The Pearl’s film was (c) ~1983.

          On the chronology, by the way, this places The Pearl being established after The Swan, which would further confirm that The Pearl was the actual experiment (like we needed further confirmation, heh).

    • nitefallz says:

      Re: Lost fan for life

      Really really liked it, I have a few theories too. But first here’s some stuff I noticed:

      3.) Eko’s cross didn’t try and rip itself off his neck during the "magnetic storm" (probably just an effects oversight)

      Some pretty cool stuff there :D. I personally think they’re inside some kind of dome. The foot statue was interesting but will probably turn out to be of an animal or something.

      Eko’s cross was ripped off after her finally got back into the computer room with Locke. I think last week he was walking around and it was being pulled from his neck. It was easy to miss on this episode.

      As far as the foot, it looked like it had a sandal on it too, doubt it could be for an animal. That’s probably the most obscure thing thrown in there.

      • hdmcnc says:

        Re: Lost fan for life

        Really really liked it, I have a few theories too. But first here’s some stuff I noticed:

        3.) Eko’s cross didn’t try and rip itself off his neck during the "magnetic storm" (probably just an effects oversight)

        Some pretty cool stuff there :D. I personally think they’re inside some kind of dome. The foot statue was interesting but will probably turn out to be of an animal or something.

        Eko’s cross was ripped off after her finally got back into the computer room with Locke. I think last week he was walking around and it was being pulled from his neck. It was easy to miss on this episode.

        As far as the foot, it looked like it had a sandal on it too, doubt it could be for an animal. That’s probably the most obscure thing thrown in there.

        I wonder if the foot refers to Atlantis in some obscure way. It reminded my of the Collosus statue at Rhodes (or at least the myths thereof) It was on the end of a mini-peninsula (like at the mouth of a small harbor. I remember reading something about stautues guarding the harbor of Atlantis, and Sayid’s comment about "four toes" raised my eyebrows too.

        The guys monitoring for electromagnetic spikes were speaking Russian. I suppose they could have been at an Antarctic station, but I got the impression they were in the Northern Hemisphere (I’m not sure why). Of course, Late November would be the start of Summer in Antarctica, and would make survival in a plane’s wreckage more believeable (but not really). There are either lots of plot holes in this series, or the writers are very good at misdirection.

        My chief complaint about this series is that only about 1/2 of it (on a good night) is origional material. There is a lot of time being spent on rehashing parts to previous episodes.

        • Fez says:

          Re: Lost fan for life

          The guys monitoring for electromagnetic spikes were speaking Russian.

          Closed captioning said "[Speaking Portuguese]" and it sort of sounded like it (close to spanish, the subtitles on the screen said "Why?" and it sounded like one guy said "Por Que?"

          Interesting as Portuguese is spoken in Brazil (South America) as well as some countries on both coasts of Africa, all in the southern hemisphere (Except, of course, for Portugal :).

          • rune says:

            Re: Lost fan for life
            They were speaking Brazilian Portuguese.

            • hdmcnc says:

              Re: Lost fan for life

              They were speaking Brazilian Portuguese.

              Portuguese would explain a lot. Wikipedia doesn’t list Portuguese as a commonly spoken language in Argentina, and I think Brazil is a bit too close to the Equator…unless…one considers that the plane, flying from Austrailia to L.A. crashed North of the Equator in the Pacific, and the electro-magnetic (whatever we’re calling it) decided to follow the traditional format…

              Thanks for straightening me-out on the language. Talk about my plane being off course…

              I’m hooked too, which I find to be bothersome. It concernes me that I may have been sucked-up into the whole commercialized Big-Brother aspect of corporate America. "Lost" would be a great book. Then it would have a beginning, middle, and END! I suspect we’re going to see a lot more of this kind of television in the next couple of years.

            • xundas says:

              Re: Lost fan for life

              They were speaking Brazilian Portuguese.

              No, actually they weren’t, the accent they had (very weird, by the way) is from Portugal.

              And, I had the impression that those guys were in Antarctica, I’m not aware of any Portuguese base in Antartica, thou, there’s a Brazilian one (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Antarctica.jpg)

              Creepy…

              That base is the thing that got me in this episode… and what are they looking for? how do they know that there’s an electromagnetic anomaly going on? why Pen is responsible for that? so many questions. . .

              BTW, when is the next season’s premiere in the US?

        • syagrius says:

          Re: Lost fan for life

          I remember reading something about stautues guarding the harbor of Atlantis, and Sayid’s comment about "four toes" raised my eyebrows too.

          The "four toes" is the hint. It is obviously the remains of a giant statue of Homer Simpson created after the episode in which he was a missionary (Season 11 Episode 241 Missionary: Impossible)(quote: "Help me Jeebus!"). This also explains why the statue was destroyed, the natives didn’t want anyone to know they worshipped Homer Simpson.

      • octa says:

        Re: Lost fan for life
        I’ve watched the episode again and I can tell you that his cross absolutely does not try to come off of his neck as if attracted to anything.

        Here’s some screenshots (all during the storm):

        In the hallway

        In the computer room

        After Locke admits his mistake

        • mish85 says:

          Re: Lost fan for life

          I’ve watched the episode again and I can tell you that his cross absolutely does not try to come off of his neck as if attracted to anything.

          Here’s some screenshots (all during the storm):

          In the hallway

          In the computer room

          After Locke admits his mistake

          If you watch "Palms 23", Eko rips off the cross from his brother’s neck, and the cross is on a metal chain. In the following episode, Eko is wearing the cross but on a string of brown leather.

          Also, at first when Eko walks by the magnet, the cross moves towards it. As you can see, the cross stays perfectly on his chest in the finale.

          To me there is just a few holes. It’s common mistakes that are unfortunately made but have no real purpose to the series.

          • dpgemmell says:

            Re: Lost fan for life

            I’ve watched the episode again and I can tell you that his cross absolutely does not try to come off of his neck as if attracted to anything.

            Look carefully, right after the timer gets crushed.

  4. valen1260 says:

    Henry and the button
    I just thought of the time "Henry" was responsible for entering the code. If Henry really didn’t enter it, as he later told Locke, then he must have had some way to avert the magno-technics. Otherwise, he did enter the code and lied to Locke about it. But, he must have known, in doing so, that (a)Locke would stop entering the code, and (b)entering the code was necessary (or he wouldn’t have done it). So, why would Henry put into motion Locke no longering entering the code if he knew it serves some purpose?

    • mrmcgibby says:

      Re: Henry and the button
      Henry knows about what the button really does when not pressed. He didn’t seem too concerned after it went off.

      • valen1260 says:

        Re: Henry and the button

        Henry knows about what the button really does when not pressed. He didn’t seem too concerned after it went off.

        You missed my point. I realize he must know. But, if he knows, why would he want Locke to stop pushing it?

        • blackhacker says:

          Re: Henry and the button

          Henry knows about what the button really does when not pressed. He didn’t seem too concerned after it went off.

          You missed my point. I realize he must know. But, if he knows, why would he want Locke to stop pushing it?

          Henry was trying to recruit Locke for The Others. Remember during the whole time he was locked in the Hatch He was trying to cause division between Lock and Jack. But Locke wouldn’t leave his camp unless he felt he had not place with the survivors, and while he still believed in the button.

          • valen1260 says:

            Re: Henry and the button

            But, if he knows, why would he want Locke to stop pushing it?

            Henry was trying to recruit Locke for The Others. Locke wouldn’t leave his camp unless he felt he had not place with the survivors, and while he still believed in the button.

            Okay, but there’s still the problem of removing the only person that, at the time, was pushing the button.

        • y42 says:

          Re: Henry and the button

          Henry knows about what the button really does when not pressed. He didn’t seem too concerned after it went off.

          You missed my point. I realize he must know. But, if he knows, why would he want Locke to stop pushing it?

          He knows it will destroy the plane survivor’s comfy shelter.
          Art of war stuff: Make sure your enemy isn’t well rested nor well fed.

          • hdmcnc says:

            Re: Henry and the button

            Henry knows about what the button really does when not pressed. He didn’t seem too concerned after it went off.

            You missed my point. I realize he must know. But, if he knows, why would he want Locke to stop pushing it?

            He knows it will destroy the plane survivor’s comfy shelter.
            Art of war stuff: Make sure your enemy isn’t well rested nor well fed.

            Are we sure the "Others" are the enemy? They are portrayed as such from the viewpoint of the survivors, but perhaps the "Others" see themselves as benevolent rather than belligerent. Perhaps they have the "God" like role of "when your time is right…you’re name is on the list".

            • y42 says:

              Re: Henry and the button

              Are we sure the "Others" are the enemy? They are portrayed as such from the viewpoint of the survivors, but perhaps the "Others" see themselves as benevolent rather than belligerent.

              Remember what they did to Charlie?

              Benevolent people don’t hang hobbits up by their neck.

              • rune says:

                Re: Henry and the button

                Are we sure the "Others" are the enemy?

                Remember what they did to Charlie?
                Benevolent people don’t hang hobbits up by their neck.

                If "The Others" are the good guys, I can’t wait to meet the bad guys!

                • mish85 says:

                  Re: Henry and the button

                  Are we sure the "Others" are the enemy?

                  Remember what they did to Charlie?
                  Benevolent people don’t hang hobbits up by their neck.

                  If "The Others" are the good guys, I can’t wait to meet the bad guys!

                  Henry did push the button. He knows better. He took a chance letting Locke believe their was no purpose to it. Henry sure freaked out when the sky turned white. Next time he’ll no better.

                  • Amanda Hugandkiss says:

                    Re: Henry and the button

                    Are we sure the "Others" are the enemy?

                    Remember what they did to Charlie?
                    Benevolent people don’t hang hobbits up by their neck.

                    If "The Others" are the good guys, I can’t wait to meet the bad guys!

                    Henry did push the button. He knows better. He took a chance letting Locke believe their was no purpose to it. Henry sure freaked out when the sky turned white. Next time he’ll no better.

                    This may be overly pedantic, but why does they keep saying this ("push the button")? They don’t just push a button, they enter a key combo first. Just pressing ‘Execute’ wouldn’t reset the timer, would it?

  5. kennthd says:

    Season Finale
    Am I the only one who thought that the Russian dude who called Penny Widmore at the end of the show looked an awful lot like Matthew Fox with a beard and glasses? Could this be Jack’s "evil twin" or something?

  6. mish85 says:

    Lost (literally)
    1. What is up with the numbers? Hurley won the lottery. They apparently save the world. Where did they come from?

    2. Snow in the ending. It reminded me of the polar bear from season 1.

    3. Does Walt have powers? He seemed pretty special in season 1. His step-dad sure was afraid. The "others" sure thought he was important too.

    4. How the heck did Locke get paralyzed in the first place?

    5. The four toed foot statue that was practically all missing wearing a sandal was about the weirdest thing in the whole episode. Reminds me of the statues on Easter Island.

  7. Nakhti says:

    My questions
    I thought the finale was ok, but like other people mentionned, it wasn’t one of those cliff-hangers that left you thinking WTF??

    Still, there are many unanswered questions.
    What is the purpose of the Others? What are the aspects of the Losties that make them "worthy" to be kidnapped? What do they do with them afterwards? If they see themselves as the good guys, who are the bad guys? Darhma? To me, the Others didn’t seem all that surprised about the sky turning white. Why not? I take it this was caused by the hatch blowing up? Will we see another plane or boat crash on the island?

    It sounded like the Others were conducting some sort of experiements on Walt. I also got the impression that they were afraid of him somehow. I think they say something along the lines that he wasn’t supposed to be on that plane, or that he’s not supposed to be on the island.

    What about the metaphysical aspect of the show? The psychic, the psychic’s daughter seeing Ecko’s brother, seemingly prophetic dreams that some of the Losties are experiencing.

  8. mikey4815162342 says:

    arrrggghhh
    the 4 toed statue kind of riminded me of ‘jason and the arganorts’ but that was just my first reaction.
    i would like to know where the rest of the statue is… it couldnt have just disapeared.

    where do the others live then??? not those hutches for sure or the hatch that they faked.

    i think that there are two groups of the others, because we see in the earlier episodes on season 2 ‘others’ walking around with dirty feet, pants etc.. but we know that they are really not ‘hillbillies’.

    where does the french woman live (sory cant remember her name) does she know anything, how come she has survived from the others for so long?

    what do the others want its jack, sawyer, kate? also everybody else they have kidnapped? where have all of these people gone??

    there are too many questions i want to ask!

    im from the uk and everyone is only up to about episode 6 or something, there no-one to talk to about it :(

    i think season 2 comes out in october to an earlier question, i hope thats october 2006 and not 2007

    • mikey4815162342 says:

      Re: arrrggghhh

      the 4 toed statue kind of riminded me of ‘jason and the arganorts’ but that was just my first reaction.
      i would like to know where the rest of the statue is… it couldnt have just disapeared.

      where do the others live then??? not those hutches for sure or the hatch that they faked.

      i think that there are two groups of the others, because we see in the earlier episodes on season 2 ‘others’ walking around with dirty feet, pants etc.. but we know that they are really not ‘hillbillies’.

      where does the french woman live (sory cant remember her name) does she know anything, how come she has survived from the others for so long?

      what do the others want its jack, sawyer, kate? also everybody else they have kidnapped? where have all of these people gone??

      there are too many questions i want to ask!

      im from the uk and everyone is only up to about episode 6 or something, there no-one to talk to about it :(

      i think season 2 comes out in october to an earlier question, i hope thats october 2006 and not 2007

      also i think the others give michael and walt the boat with no petrol in it or something else wrong so the get a little bit away the are stranded and have to come back or maby even die. in my poinion somebody should have done something to michael, maby hurley, for killing people and lying to everyone.

      what happened to eko, locke and desmond. charlie was fine and he didnt even bother going to the hatch to find them. what actually happened to the hatch did it blow up?? you can not kill john locke, maby eko and desmond but come on, locke….

      is henry gale the one the others answer to???? how did the others get onto the island??

      i am so glad that the button wasnt pushed, finally we got to see what happens, but they could have shown us more (bastards!)

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